Comment by throwaw12
2 months ago
consumer RAM is not what's creating shortage. Data centers doesn't run electron to train the model or for inference
2 months ago
consumer RAM is not what's creating shortage. Data centers doesn't run electron to train the model or for inference
Sure, consumer ram isn't causing a shortage, but it's affected by the shortage.
They effectively do. They’re trained by brute forcing 100TB of training data through them, rather than any logical learning technique.
A human doesn’t need 100TB of books to learn the alphabet.
> A human doesn’t need 100TB of books to learn the alphabet.
A human does need 16ish hours per day of audio/video content for several years to learn the alphabet.
I used a single letter stencil to learn the alphabet, actually, and nobody strapped me to a chair to watch or listen something 16h a day.
Living inside a normal home with my parents was enough for the audio part.
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Every RAM producer is stopping their consumer grade RAM production to provide ECC-RAM and VRAM now. Micron discontinued and closed down Crucial brand as a whole.
So, getting systems with higher RAM capacity is getting harder (from laptops to smartphones). So, for a couple of years, we need to stop using Electron so much and use what we have efficiently.
Data centers, esp. AI hyperscalers do not care about efficiency for now, because they can suffocate consumer-grade part of the hardware marketplace and get anything and everything they want. When their bubble pops, or the whole capacity ends, they need to learn to be efficient, too.
For reference, a well-optimized cluster runs at ~90% efficiency even though they have thousands of users. AI hyperscalers are not there. Maybe 60% efficient, at most. They waste a lot of resources to keep their momentum.
I have a silent hope that because of this change we all will get ECC ram and that consumer CPUs will get proper support for them.
AMD's RYZEN already supports it. ASUStor's latest generation of NAS devices come with AMD x86_64 processors and ECC RAM as a standard, but ECC RAM in SODIMM format was not cheap, even when the RAM was cheap, either.
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ECC ram uses the same chips, just an extra one on the dimm
The problem is manufactures are shifting their production capacities towards the more profitable, high-performance "AI" components.