Comment by ceejayoz
1 month ago
Look, I don't disagree, but American cities looked pretty fine after WWII, and Germany was rubble. Which side gets pounded more doesn't inherently prove which side was right.
(In this case, I'm of the opinion that both sides committed clear, deliberate war crimes.)
Germany invaded most of Europe and left much of it in rubble. You're picking a very weird, specific comparison (German vs. US cities) and leaving out the obvious comparison (German vs. Soviet or Polish cities).
Also, comparing Nazi Germany, a massively powerful industrial state, with a tiny, poor territory under foreign occupation by a vastly superior power is insane.
The point is “which belligerent is in rubble” and “which belligerent started shit” isn’t always the same.
No, the point is to justify Israel laying waste to Gaza by equating the Palestinians with the Nazis.
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Gaza began the war with a more powerful army than many European countries: more soldiers, more rockets, more war-fighting infrastructure. Gaza wasn't a particularly poor place before the war, certainly not by the standards of the middle east. It had mansions and average salaries that, for some professions, were higher than average salaries in Israel. It was a net food exporter.
> Gaza began the war with a more powerful army than many European countries
What? You mean countries like Monaco and Liechtenstein?
> more soldiers, more rockets
Simply counting the # of soldiers or rockets is disingenuous when this is obviously an asymmetric war.
It's clear that the method of combatant recognition employed by the IDF is flawed, given they're killing aid workers and people from the UN.
Eg, here is Hamas' bread and butter rocket: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qassam_rocket
There is more technology in a modern rifle round than in those rockets + launch systems (if you even dare call them that).
> more war-fighting infrastructure
Please explain what you mean by "war-fighting infrastructure ".
> Gaza wasn't a particularly poor place before the war, certainly not by the standards of the middle east
Depends on what you mean by "standards of the Middle East", but just compare Israel($52k) and Gaza ($3455) for 2023:
https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.CD?location...
https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.CD?location...
> It had mansions and average salaries that, for some professions, were higher than average salaries in Israel.
"The wealthiest in a poor country have more money than the average in a developed country", means what exactly?
How did you develop your understanding of this situation? And what are you trying to communicate here?
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It was also fully blockaded by Israeli (and Egyptian) forces on all sides? Israel was in full control of what was going in an out of it.
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> Gaza began the war with a more powerful army than many European countries
This is such an insane statement that you instantly disqualify everything else you say.
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