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Comment by throwaway3060

1 month ago

Are you trying to imply there is a comparison between Gaza and Leningrad? Where a number equal to the entire modern population of Gaza perished?

Something is very wrong with education on WW2 if anyone thinks this is a reasonable thing to say. A bubble, I suppose.

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ignoramous  1 month ago

> very wrong with education on WW2 if anyone thinks this is a reasonable thing to say

Pretty sure Leibowitz knew his WW2.

  • throwaway3060  1 month ago

    Given the track record of knowledge of the eastern front beyond the iron curtain, maybe he didn't. I don't know how anyone can read about Operation Barbarossa, the full scope of the plans to wipe out half of the continent, and come away with the impression that anything else, let alone a regional conflict, is even in the same universe.

    But this isn't about Leibowitz, who isn't here to try to explain himself. This is about the idea that a falsity is "not up for debate".

    • ignoramous  1 month ago

      > This is about the idea that a falsity is "not up for debate".

      Your assertion that there's "no comparison whatsoever" is of course not, when there's ample.

      > who isn't here to try to explain himself

      Lets just say that social norms & experiences drive much of what people believe in. One of Leibowitz's student goes:

        "I hated the notion of occupation since the very beginning. My first memories from after the 67 war are traveling with my children in the occupied territories. There were awnings over groceries stores with Hebrew lettering advertising Osem noodles. I couldn't bear it. I thought that was dreadful because I remembered German lettering in France. I have very strong feelings about Israel as an occupier."

      We can guess what their "very strong feelings" might have been having experienced Nazi occupation of France during WW2.

      https://www.theguardian.com/books/2015/jul/18/daniel-kahnema...

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