Comment by ceejayoz
16 hours ago
> Ignoring what is hopefully sarcasm on the empirical part…
I mean, in my opinion, Trump empirically sucks. Opinion polling backs me up! Should the model consider that more people consider one or the other to suck? Or should it ignore factual information to spare feelings? Which approach is more respectful to fellow commenters and the website owner?
(See also: X considering "cisgender" a slur. There's no shared reality on a lot of these things; trying to construct one gets deeply difficult.)
>Should the model consider that more people consider one or the other to suck?
If it's teaching how to avoid logical fallacies, which includes appeals to the majority, the answer is an obvious 'no'.
In other opinion polls they back up that he doesn't suck. Either way who cares? That's not what the app is supposed to be about if it's teaching/correcting you how to argue/debate better.
You completely ignored the whole point of what I said, which is that even in a simple statement like "This person sucks" it added its own implicit connotations, namely that disliking someone who happens to be black is implicit racism. Imagine trying to learn how to really argue with that kind of teacher.
I'm really expanding on your point - that two humans can't even agree here. The AI probably has even less chance of resolving the multi-factorial scenario we're in.
AFAICT, Respectify is trying to address improvements via leveraged grammar using minimal context. Dis/agreement is incidental.
eg
* Noun1 is great.
* Noun2 is great.
Ideally would result in equal outcomes.
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Whose discourse do you think the app would label as more toxic, Trump's or Obama's?