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Comment by magicalist

13 hours ago

> it can still be tracked by any provider or person/group/government controlling that provider, even triangulated to a more precise location, 24/7.

Which as of 2018 requires a warrant to get access to: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carpenter_v._United_States

We want a government and law enforcement that can investigate wrongdoing, but we want that access to be checked and limited, and, most importantly, we want the government actually following the checks and limitations they're supposed to be subject to.

Which brings us back to data laundering companies like Flock.

> requires a warrant

Only if it's the government wanting the data directly from the provider. The provider itself, any malicious actor within, or any companies they might be selling your data to, can still get the subscribers' location data. And the government can still legally purchase that info from a data broker without it being labeled a "search". And that's nothing to say of governments acting illegally, there are still ways they can access that data.

My point was that not having "facebook, X, or tiktok installed on my phone" does nothing to stop your carrier (or anyone else they might be working with) from tracking your exact location in much worse ways than any individual app normally would.