> Working towards war with Iran has been bipartisan US policy for decades now
Obama signed the Iran nuclear deal in July 2015 [1].
Biden didn't put any policy focus on Iran, in part becase, with the benefit of hindsight, it's difficult to distill any policy focus from that Presidency following Covid. But he also didn't ratchet up pressure in any material way [2]. (And to be clear, I'm not saying that's good.)
Islamic lunatic ayatollahs, who've shown a willingness to massacre their own people, with nukes?
Can't imagine why that would be a bad thing ...
I don't much understand that about this thread. Yes Trump bad. Yes, US should not get into another war (although in here, arguably this may avoid war, and yes, that's been said before)
But when it comes to the ayatollahs at the business end of the missiles: defending them? I mean, I understand socialists brought them to power, but still: for these particular ayatollahs, having their insides spread over a few football fields ... can't happen to a more deserving bunch.
Congress hasn't publicly supported the attack. That is an extremely important step, and required for any operation lasting more than 30 days if I'm not mistaken, but it doesn't mean a majority of Congress hasn't already made clear they do support this.
Even some of the most "left" Dems, like Elizabeth Warren, were giving Trump an emphatic standing ovation as he talked about Iran in the SotU [0].
That was literally days after Warren posted on social media about "not sending our military into another endless war in the Middle East" [1]. Look at the comments on the post - they all believe her. It's really very silly.
Yes both parties are war mongers but I don't think that lets Trump off the hook even a little. This wasn't necessary or inevitable. Trump's not even really trying to justify it.
> Working towards war with Iran has been bipartisan US policy for decades now
Obama signed the Iran nuclear deal in July 2015 [1].
Biden didn't put any policy focus on Iran, in part becase, with the benefit of hindsight, it's difficult to distill any policy focus from that Presidency following Covid. But he also didn't ratchet up pressure in any material way [2]. (And to be clear, I'm not saying that's good.)
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_Comprehensive_Plan_of_Ac...
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93United_States_rel...
Obama is the one outlier here. As far as I'm aware, all other presidents since '79 saw this as inevitable if not desirable.
> all other presidents since '79 saw this as inevitable if not desirable
I think it's helpful to distinguish Cold War-era Presidents from the others, but that obviously limits the sample.
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Islamic lunatic ayatollahs, who've shown a willingness to massacre their own people, with nukes?
Can't imagine why that would be a bad thing ...
I don't much understand that about this thread. Yes Trump bad. Yes, US should not get into another war (although in here, arguably this may avoid war, and yes, that's been said before)
But when it comes to the ayatollahs at the business end of the missiles: defending them? I mean, I understand socialists brought them to power, but still: for these particular ayatollahs, having their insides spread over a few football fields ... can't happen to a more deserving bunch.
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Not sure how you can say that considering that he did it without Congressional approval? It’s literally all him.
Congress hasn't publicly supported the attack. That is an extremely important step, and required for any operation lasting more than 30 days if I'm not mistaken, but it doesn't mean a majority of Congress hasn't already made clear they do support this.
Even some of the most "left" Dems, like Elizabeth Warren, were giving Trump an emphatic standing ovation as he talked about Iran in the SotU [0].
That was literally days after Warren posted on social media about "not sending our military into another endless war in the Middle East" [1]. Look at the comments on the post - they all believe her. It's really very silly.
0 - https://x.com/i/trending/2026793972086222987
1 - https://www.facebook.com/ElizabethWarren/posts/pfbid0BCLJaUv...
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You gotta be kidding
He's right though. He's calling out that this is policy, not just Trump.
Still however pulls the trigger commits the crime.
Yes both parties are war mongers but I don't think that lets Trump off the hook even a little. This wasn't necessary or inevitable. Trump's not even really trying to justify it.