Comment by Almondsetat
3 hours ago
At some point you have to decide: if my country is held back by a brutal dictatorial regime where civilians can't hope to topple it, is there anything else to do other than get external help?
3 hours ago
At some point you have to decide: if my country is held back by a brutal dictatorial regime where civilians can't hope to topple it, is there anything else to do other than get external help?
Maybe speak to some Libyans. Or Iraqis. Or Syrians?
Libya is not a real country in a historical sense. It’s a bunch of tribes, Kadaffi was from one of the tribes that subjugated others. In Iraq it was a Sunni minority that rules over Shiite majority, and other minorities like the Kurds. In Syria one minority (alawiites) rules over others by force.
Also, these countries were not formed by themselves, but rather through deals with France and/or Britain.
Iran, while also diverse, has a thousands of years long history. Persians still see themselves as continuation of Persian peoples from the empire times, etc.
So, it is not very correct to compare it one to one.
Iraqis also see themselves as a continuation of Mesopotamian people, that was quite literally what Iraqi Baathist thought was centered around and used as the successful unification strategy. That's quite literally the justification the Baathists used to try 'reclaim' both Khuzestan and Kuwait. You quite literally couldn't be more wrong in how you categorize Baathist Iraq.
Iran has a much worse relationship with its minorities, where if you are of the wrong faith then you literally face state-sanctioned laws preventing you studying or working. In fact, things in Iraq became much worse for minorities after the overthrowal due to the adoption of Iranian cultural practices like Abrahamic elitism.
The cherry on top of all of this is that you probably don't realize that Persians in Iran only make up 60% of the country. You have Iranians who wholly reject Persian ancestry (Azeris, Armenians, Assyrians, Kurds...) but you don't even account for them, despite Iran having, what, three? entirely separate ethnic-based separatist insurgencies active across the country LOL
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Is this a way to avoid thinking about the conundrum?
"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results"
Short term pain for long term gain.
Short term pain for long term more pain.
This was never about Iranian people. This is all about war mongers, puppets and idiots who believe them.
Defend your thesis.
Venezuela.
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Those may be the motivations, but the outcome (so far) is still something Iranians are optimistic about
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Trump isn't there to help. He wants the oil and he wants a puppet dictator. He doesn't care about the people.
As an American, I’m really starting to feel that way.
Really... In a thread about Iran... This is not comparable at all and so insulting for what they have endured since 1979.
Except midterm elections are literally this year. But other than that small detail, sure.
Oh, please. If you think the majority of all Iranians are in favor of US-Israeli bombings of their home country, you're seriously smoking some potent propaganda.
Did I say anything like that?
Every Iranian friend of mine is celebrating this. They desperately wanted him gone.
Are you suggesting Iranians should have protested harder, maybe tried more to "bring change from within"?
I have ten times as many Iranian friends as you have. They are all against the bombings.
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Which Arab countries are better after US intervention? The last place that had a dictator is now ruled by ISIS.
Iran is not an Arab country? Answering a more general question - all countries of former Yugoslavia are better after US intervention. Some Serbs would not agree, but it's on them
In Iran the outcome is yet to be seen, but we have nearby Arab countries where we don't have to guess what happens. Great deflection.
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