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Comment by j16sdiz

1 day ago

The loadbalancer can force a downgrade .

If the load balancer can force a downgrade, an attacker can do it as well.

  • Only if the attacker has a valid certificate for the domain to complete the handshake with.

    Relying on HTTPS and SVCB records will probably allow a downgrade for some attackers, but if browsers roll out something akin to the HSTS preload list, then downgrade attacks become pretty difficult.

    DNSSEC can also protect against malicious SVCB/HTTPS records and the spec recommends DoT/DoH against local MitM attacks to prevent this.

    • DNSSEC can't protect against an ECH downgrade. ECH attackers are all on-path, and selectively blocking lookups is damaging even if you can't forge them. DoH is the answer here, not record integrity.

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    • > but if browsers roll out something akin to the HSTS preload list, then downgrade attacks become pretty difficult.

      Can you explain why, considering it is at the client's side ("browsers")?

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