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Comment by medi8r

8 hours ago

Glad it has AI. AI has nothing on cars. Save a car trip a week even if electric is way more than 10k queries.

1 chatgpt query is a little misleading though. Let's see an 8 hour full bore claude code agent session. Or maybe running 3 agents for several hours a day.

  • It also doesn't include the amortized cost of training the models, as far as I can tell. I believe I heard that training the models took more energy than total queries against that model, but I could be mistaken.

    • I believe training currently costs significantly more than inference to all the current vendors, so I'd be surprised if it doesn't also use more power.

      And by the look of it, that'll be the norm pretty much forever - unless something fundamental about how models can be trained/updated, an "older" model loses value as it's knowledge becomes out of date, even if we no longer get improvements from other sources or techniques.

      But other things likely change based on "lifetimes" and usage patterns too - e.g. a large battery for an electric car may have a higher upfront energy cost in manufacturing than a small ICE + fuel tank, but presumably there's a mileage that the improved per-mile efficiency overcomes that, and then continues to gain with each additional mile.

chatgpt use should be in the default set since energy use of ai is so often in the news now - and more often in social media