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Comment by ori_b

9 hours ago

Did you vote in the primaries for a candidate that might change it?

Did democrats offer primaries in the last elections?

Did voting for Bernie Sanders in the last two primaries (especially the ones when Trump won for the first time) amount to anything?

I wonder how long can the American public keep the self delusion that the elections are anything but a theater for the naive, to keep the pretense the public has any say in things that matter.

How much has the current administration asked the public about going to war with Iran?

  • > Did voting for Bernie Sanders in the last two primaries (especially the ones when Trump won for the first time) amount to anything?

    He didn't win the primaries though. It would have amounted to something if he got enough votes.

    • 1) He did not win primaries, in significant part also because DNC was heavily against him. The level playing field thing.

      2) If he won the primaries, there is still no guarantee that that would have amounted to anything.

      First, he might not have won the elections (mainstream media and the whole ruling elites were heavily against him). And even if he won, he might not have been able to do much against the permanent state.

      I still think the main cause of Trump's wins is the deep disillusionment of the democratic voters by Obama's failure (inability/unwillingness) to impact a meaningful change.

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  • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Democratic_Party_presiden...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Democratic_Party_presiden...

    Skill issue. Run your candidate. Convince people to vote for them.

    > How much has the current administration asked the public about going to war with Iran?

    THE ELECTIONS are how the public weighs in.

    • Re: Skill issue Money issue. This is not level playing ground, the field is severely tilted. The referee is bought.

      But you are saying: You lost fair and square, wait 4 years to have any say in what is going on.

      Re: THE ELECTIONS are how the public weighs in.

      When the choice is between Tweedledee and Tweedledum, the public's choice is meaningless.

      To say nothing about politicians outright shamelessly lying (e.g. Trump campaigning on 'no more wars').

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I like that I can’t tell if this is some sort of admonition for not voting centrist enough in a primary that didn’t happen or for not voting left enough in a primary that did not happen. It seems like if you’re going to be so bold as to do a callout you might as well say what for (and why you either picked or specifically skipped a primary that did not happen)