{"id":47383657,"user":"akoboldfrying","time":1773541427,"time_ago":"9 days ago","type":"comment","content":"

Who decides if a law is unjust?","comments":[{"id":47383661,"user":"matheusmoreira","time":1773541511,"time_ago":"9 days ago","type":"comment","content":"

We do. Using our consciences.","comments":[{"id":47383797,"user":"akoboldfrying","time":1773542829,"time_ago":"9 days ago","type":"comment","content":"

What if two people's consciences disagree?","comments":[{"id":47383837,"user":"matheusmoreira","time":1773543172,"time_ago":"9 days ago","type":"comment","content":"

Do it regardless. If you're right other people will realize that. If not, they won't.","comments":[{"id":47384891,"user":"akoboldfrying","time":1773556839,"time_ago":"9 days ago","type":"comment","content":"

How other people respond is largely unrelated to principled notions of justice -- it will mostly depend on what benefits them. Populism, in other words.

I can't see how that could ever go wrong.","comments":[],"comments_count":0,"level":3,"url":"item?id=47384891"},{"id":47384945,"user":"tstrimple","time":1773557833,"time_ago":"9 days ago","type":"comment","content":"

Sounds like you're the type to lead a lynch mob. Do it regardless after all.","comments":[{"id":47386504,"user":"matheusmoreira","time":1773575431,"time_ago":"9 days ago","type":"comment","content":"

Nobody said anything about lynching anyone. I simply don't recognize idiotic laws bought and paid for by corporations as legitimate. Lobbying is just legalized corruption.","comments":[],"comments_count":0,"level":4,"url":"item?id=47386504"}],"comments_count":1,"level":3,"url":"item?id=47384945"},{"id":47386557,"user":"sph","time":1773575838,"time_ago":"9 days ago","type":"comment","content":"

The learned helplessness of modern citizens of so called democracies is something to behold. No wonder we have people like Trump in power.","comments":[{"id":47388980,"user":"curt15","time":1773592175,"time_ago":"8 days ago","type":"comment","content":"

This. People seem to have forgotten their government works for them and exists only with their consent. They are not subservient to the government.","comments":[],"comments_count":0,"level":4,"url":"item?id=47388980"}],"comments_count":1,"level":3,"url":"item?id=47386557"},{"id":47384350,"user":"TZubiri","time":1773548611,"time_ago":"9 days ago","type":"comment","content":"

Found the anarchist","comments":[],"comments_count":0,"level":3,"url":"item?id=47384350"},{"id":47384122,"user":"throw10920","time":1773546323,"time_ago":"9 days ago","type":"comment","content":"

> If you're right other people will realize that. If not, they won't.

That literally does not answer the GP's question.

You're just an anarchist. We can save a lot of steps if you just state that outright.","comments":[{"id":47384210,"user":"matheusmoreira","time":1773547220,"time_ago":"9 days ago","type":"comment","content":"

I can't be an anarchist because I don't believe anarchy exists. In every group of humans, power structures and hierarchies form spontaneously from normal social interaction. Even if you abolished all forms of government, they would simply reform. A state of anarchy is impossible.

I'm merely a proponent of civil disobedience.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_disobedience

> Any man who breaks a law that conscience tells him is unjust and willingly accepts the penalty by staying in jail to arouse the conscience of the community on the injustice of the law is at that moment expressing the very highest respect for the law out of all other freedom struggles.

> Martin Luther King Jr.","comments":[{"id":47384227,"user":"throw10920","time":1773547377,"time_ago":"9 days ago","type":"comment","content":"

You're right, I misunderstood what anarchy was. My apologies.","comments":[],"comments_count":0,"level":5,"url":"item?id=47384227"},{"id":47388123,"user":"charcircuit","time":1773587296,"time_ago":"9 days ago","type":"comment","content":"

Civil disobedience is wrong. Society has established ways to change the rules. Breaking rules instead of changing them is disrespectful to the society that has been built. Just because you quote someone, that does not mean what they are advocating for is just.","comments":[{"id":47392595,"user":"matheusmoreira","time":1773613255,"time_ago":"8 days ago","type":"comment","content":"

Society is wrong. It allows trillion dollar corporations to simply buy the laws that they want to impose on you while conveniently leaving loophopes for themselves. Why the hell would you want to "change" this rigged system through the system? That's mind boggling.

There is absolutely no reason at all to even so much as recognize these laws as legitimate. Society can go to hell if it thinks otherwise. They were supposed to be working for us, not the corporations. Since they aren't, we simply revoke their power over us. It really is that easy.

Power isn't something you have, it's loaned out to you, and it can be revoked. People give you power because they believe you'll act in their best interests and solve their problems for them. Once it becomes clear that's not happening, there is absolutely no reason at all to defer to some corrupt "authorities" who are doing nothing but enriching themselves at our expense.","comments":[{"id":47406550,"user":"throw10920","time":1773704057,"time_ago":"7 days ago","type":"comment","content":"

> Society is wrong. It allows trillion dollar corporations to simply buy the laws that they want to impose on you while conveniently leaving loophopes for themselves. Why the hell would you want to "change" this rigged system through the system? That's mind boggling.

So much for "Resolving inconsistencies between my ideas is the entire reason why I come here to discuss them."[1] - you're just here to engage in propaganda.

(propaganda that, for the future record, isn't even true - corporations do not get votes and do not get to "buy the laws they want")

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47384481","comments":[],"comments_count":0,"level":7,"url":"item?id=47406550"},{"id":47407212,"user":"charcircuit","time":1773708737,"time_ago":"7 days ago","type":"comment","content":"

>Why the hell would you want to "change" this rigged system through the system? That's mind boggling.

The current system allows for changing it if you have enough support. People who try to go around it because they do not have the needed support. If society was truly wrong we could easily dissolve it.","comments":[],"comments_count":0,"level":7,"url":"item?id=47407212"}],"comments_count":2,"level":6,"url":"item?id=47392595"}],"comments_count":3,"level":5,"url":"item?id=47388123"}],"comments_count":5,"level":4,"url":"item?id=47384210"},{"id":47386057,"user":"enoint","time":1773571117,"time_ago":"9 days ago","type":"comment","content":"

The book of Isaiah tells us to denounce unjust law. And the book of Matthew tells us to recognize Caesar’s secular authority. Anarchism is not the only explanation.","comments":[],"comments_count":0,"level":4,"url":"item?id=47386057"}],"comments_count":7,"level":3,"url":"item?id=47384122"}],"comments_count":14,"level":2,"url":"item?id=47383837"},{"id":47384111,"user":"seemaze","time":1773546182,"time_ago":"9 days ago","type":"comment","content":"

No need to hypothesize, just take a look around","comments":[],"comments_count":0,"level":2,"url":"item?id=47384111"}],"comments_count":16,"level":1,"url":"item?id=47383797"}],"comments_count":17,"level":0,"url":"item?id=47383661"}],"comments_count":18,"url":"item?id=47383657"}

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