Comment by bhouston
7 days ago
> is it not possible to say that both hamas and the IDF do terrible things?
I agree. Hamas and IDF do terrible things - the ICC issued warrants for the leaders of both. This is why an external party has to impose a solution and it should involve in my opinion separation (two-states.) Both parties are radicalized at least for now and need to be separated and allowed to manage their own affairs while allowing the other to exist.
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100% not true. Abbas wants a Palestinian state beside Israel. This is what he has supported for a long time. And why many states in the last two years have recognized a Palestinian state: https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/mahmoud-abbas-palestinian-pres...
While there was rejectionists in the past, Netanyahu has been the rejectionist for the last two decades. He says so himself:
https://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu-boasts-of-thwarting-...
He and his cronies boosted Hamas in part to split the Palestinians so as to avoid having to negotiate a two-state solution:
https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up...
It's pointless to engage with the argument that one party didn't think it was offered enough so it's right for the other party to offer even less. In never made any sense and it's just one of the myriad rhetorical tricks to twist, muddle and subvert the discussion.
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> Abbas wants a Palestinian state beside Israel.
Have you researched what he says in Arabic, rather then English? In a 2014 interview on Egyptian TV (Arabic), Abbas stated he would never recognize Israel as a Jewish state and could not "close the door" to "refugees" wishing to return.
He's also insane: in 2023 at the UN (in a speech with Arabic elements echoed domestically), he denied proof of Jewish ties to Al-Aqsa/Temple Mount and accused Israel of lies akin to Goebbels propaganda. In April 2025, during a PLO Central Council meeting in Ramallah (televised in Arabic), he claimed the Quran places the Jewish Temples in Yemen, not Jerusalem.
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The two-state solution doesn't need to be offered, it needs to be imposed. And it needs to be imposed on both parties, which means that Israel needs to be forced to withdraw within its legitimate borders.
Israel (with the West's participation and complicity) has been perfectly able to impose on Palestinians the settlements, the walls and the apartheid. Therefore Israel and the West will have no trouble imposing on Palestinians wider borders, withdrawal from settlements and the end of the occupation.
Yes. Another pattern you can observe throughout the years of the conflict, right now again in Lebanon: When Israel rejects an offer, they get a better offer. When everyone else in the region rejects an offer, they get a worse one.
The State of Palestine is recognized as a sovereign state by 157 of the 193 member states of the United Nations, or just over 80% of all UN members.
The only obstacle to the two-state solution is Israel and the US blocking it with powerful violence.
Please don't lie.
Countries recognising Palestine doesn't matter. Palestine wants one state and to kill all the Jews. They say so explicitly and repeatedly. Anyone who has done any research into the middle east knows this.
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