Comment by C6JEsQeQa5fCjE
6 days ago
Alright, multiple things.
First of all, Israel DOES conduct rape of Palestinians [1] [2], so that's not some hypothetical revenge scenario, but rather an everyday reality for Palestinians living under a brutal occupation. Randomly scoop up a few Palestinians every now and then, put them in prisons often at no charge at all ("administrative detention"), and then do anything you want to them behind the prison walls.
Second of all, I actually have principles, and I am against rape ALWAYS. If the victim testimonies that you referenced are actually true, then the perpetrators of those crimes deserve appropriate punishment. So do the Israelis who rape Palestinians.
> > Anyway, you dodged nearly the entirety of my comment
> Yes because it was disgusting.
No I won't let you keep dodging. What I wrote was that if you think that what happened on Oct 7 justified the response that Israel enacted by demolishing basically the entirety of Gaza, then you should shudder at the thought of what is justified in a merely proportional response to Israel's response. Proportionality being the foundation of justice and all that. For example, given that we know that Israel regularly kills and rapes Palestinians, would it be justified to do to Israel what Israel has done to Gaza? No? Then why do you people keep justifying what you have done to Gaza? When will you accept how disproportionally savage that was? Do you not see how disgusted by it the rest of the world is?
If you think that proportionality is disgusting, well, no need to engage any further.
[1] https://thecradle.co/articles-id/36452
[2] https://thecradle.co/articles/israeli-war-chief-offers-apolo...
> First of all, Israel DOES conduct rape of Palestinians [1] [2], so that's not some hypothetical revenge scenario, but rather an everyday reality for Palestinians
Your links don't support your statement that this is an everyday reality.
> If the victim testimonies that you referenced are actually true, then the perpetrators of those crimes deserve appropriate punishment. So do the Israelis who rape Palestinians.
Good, I'm glad about that. You seem to cast more doubt on the many cases of Hamas and regular Gazans brutalizing Israeli civilians than the few cases of Israeli soldiers brutalizing prisoners though. Why is that?
> No I won't let you keep dodging.
What have I dodged?
> What I wrote was that if you think that what happened on Oct 7 justified the response that Israel enacted by demolishing basically the entirety of Gaza, then you should shudder at the thought of what is justified in a merely proportional response to Israel's response.
Yes, I replied with what a proportional response by Hamas to Israel would have been:
> > Hamas risking the lives of its own people to save some fictional hostages the IDF has not kidnapped?
You seemed to have missed this.
> given that we know that Israel regularly kills and rapes Palestinians,
That's not given. Your links about an isolated brutality case does not support your case that this is regular or anything near the scale of the Oct 7 massacre. The soldiers that brutalized that man are being punished by the Israeli government. The Hamas operatives that perpetuated Oct 7 massacre are by the Gazan government.
> Then why do you people keep justifying what you have done to Gaza?
How would you have handled Hamas' attacks?