If they manage to expand their lineup a bit, that'll be my next phone. Or, if a company makes a phone with GrapheneOS preinstalled, I'm giving them my money.
Fuck Google for doing this, and Play Integrity making me unable to use banks is even worse.
> if a company makes a phone with GrapheneOS preinstalled, I'm giving them my money.
FWIW you can buy a Pixel (new or 2nd hand) and install GrapheneOS via the Web https://grapheneos.org/install/web with nothing (genuinely nothing) installed on your computer and get it working in ~15min (depending on your connection to download the ROM) out of which maybe ~2min will be your interacting with the setup process.
I initially bought an /e/OS precisely with your requirement, namely I "just" want a phone that works when I receive it, no tinkering, but having installed GrapheneOS myself few days (or weeks?) ago I can tell you, it's really straightforward.
They're actually partnering with Motorola and have phones coming out next year! It sounds like they'll be the Motorola Signature, Razr and Fold (iirc).
And what kind of support do you think a Linux phone will have? While also having trash tier security. I don’t see that as an issue (for Americans at least since most banks here don’t use NFC/wallets in their apps), just use the web browser to access your bank.
Also GrapheneOS has in my experience decent banking app support outside of a handful of apps (including, ironically, my main bank which disabled GrapheneOS support a week or two ago). There is a maintained list of working apps that you can see for yourself: https://privsec.dev/posts/android/banking-applications-compa...
Does/do your bank/s absolutely always require you to use an app? Is there a desktop/website that you can use? Do they have a brick and mortar location?
Then keep Google crapphone for banking purposes in your drawer, like auth scratch code cards in the past.
I don't get that idea of carrying device with bank access in your pocket constantly.
Moreover, at least in EU, there is more and more banks which publish their apps in non Google app stores too.
All Swedish banking apps work without issue and many apps that use play integrity works well regardless. It's just some apps that use play integrity that in a certain way that doesn't work.
I have no idea what they are talking about. I have been daily driving GrapheneOS for almost two months now (coming from iPhone, but I have tested Pixels and Samsung phones on the side for a while) and there is no material difference in daily use from running the stock Pixel OS in daily use if you install Play (Services) and a bunch of apps. Of course, it is more secure and comes with no crap pre-installed, which is nice.
The only thing I have really found missing is Google Pay support for contactless payment (because Google doesn't want to allow GrapheneOS, but there are alternatives like Curve).
If they manage to expand their lineup a bit, that'll be my next phone. Or, if a company makes a phone with GrapheneOS preinstalled, I'm giving them my money.
Fuck Google for doing this, and Play Integrity making me unable to use banks is even worse.
> if a company makes a phone with GrapheneOS preinstalled, I'm giving them my money.
FWIW you can buy a Pixel (new or 2nd hand) and install GrapheneOS via the Web https://grapheneos.org/install/web with nothing (genuinely nothing) installed on your computer and get it working in ~15min (depending on your connection to download the ROM) out of which maybe ~2min will be your interacting with the setup process.
I initially bought an /e/OS precisely with your requirement, namely I "just" want a phone that works when I receive it, no tinkering, but having installed GrapheneOS myself few days (or weeks?) ago I can tell you, it's really straightforward.
> with nothing (genuinely nothing) installed on your computer
Not 100% accurate. You need a browser that supports WebUSB[0] which are just Chromium based ones, not Safari or Firefox.
[0]https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/WebUSB_API
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They're actually partnering with Motorola and have phones coming out next year! It sounds like they'll be the Motorola Signature, Razr and Fold (iirc).
That's great news, thanks! I can keep my phone for another year.
It's pretty crazy to trust such project to run your phone.
They have terrible support for banking apps and any app that needs play integrity
And what kind of support do you think a Linux phone will have? While also having trash tier security. I don’t see that as an issue (for Americans at least since most banks here don’t use NFC/wallets in their apps), just use the web browser to access your bank.
Also GrapheneOS has in my experience decent banking app support outside of a handful of apps (including, ironically, my main bank which disabled GrapheneOS support a week or two ago). There is a maintained list of working apps that you can see for yourself: https://privsec.dev/posts/android/banking-applications-compa...
Does/do your bank/s absolutely always require you to use an app? Is there a desktop/website that you can use? Do they have a brick and mortar location?
Typically the website requires you to use the mobile app as 2FA. Typically also there are less and less brick and mortar locations.
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You are badly informed.
GrapheneOS has full support for Play Integrity[0].
[0]: https://grapheneos.org/articles/attestation-compatibility-gu...
The link you link literally explains how GrapheneOS doesn’t support Play Integrity and apps should use the Hardware Attestation API instead.
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Then keep Google crapphone for banking purposes in your drawer, like auth scratch code cards in the past. I don't get that idea of carrying device with bank access in your pocket constantly. Moreover, at least in EU, there is more and more banks which publish their apps in non Google app stores too.
All Swedish banking apps work without issue and many apps that use play integrity works well regardless. It's just some apps that use play integrity that in a certain way that doesn't work.
I've had multiple apps attempt to use Play Integrity on my GrapheneOS phone(it tells you when they try), and then just work anyway. Not sure why.
Then don't use those apps. I know it's easier said than done sometimes, but freedom is more important than convenience.
Yeah, just like, move to a country where banks still offer web banking, bro. Move banks. Got a locked down mortgage on good rates? Tough luck man.
Etc
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"Terrible" is incorrect. Yes quite a few don't work but many many do . See:
https://privsec.dev/posts/android/banking-applications-compa...
Used Graphene as a daily driver for a year. It’s an unserious toy.
Can you elaborate? Why? I think many of us were hoping we could switch to it if/when Android becomes intolerable.
I have no idea what they are talking about. I have been daily driving GrapheneOS for almost two months now (coming from iPhone, but I have tested Pixels and Samsung phones on the side for a while) and there is no material difference in daily use from running the stock Pixel OS in daily use if you install Play (Services) and a bunch of apps. Of course, it is more secure and comes with no crap pre-installed, which is nice.
The only thing I have really found missing is Google Pay support for contactless payment (because Google doesn't want to allow GrapheneOS, but there are alternatives like Curve).
I'm using GrapheneOS as my daily driver you couldn't be more wrong.
If it really was, you wouldn't have used it for a year