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Comment by garciansmith

4 days ago

Yeah, I do hope that an "inter-op" idea can be possible, otherwise anyone who doesn't want to join the duopoly fully will slowly be unable to interact with more and more aspects of commerce, government, etc. I guess the GrapheneOS method of integrating Play Services but keeping the user in control (e.g., being able to block Play apps' internet connections) is something like that, but ultimately it's controlled by Google and there are problems with Play Integrity, meaning some things just don't work.

I don't think Graphene quite embodies the "adversarial" aspect I'm talking about. They explicitly don't do Play Integrity spoofing, even though they can, because they're committed to the more political avenue of convincing banks and such to use an alternate non-Google attestation framework. It's admirable, but I expect they'll lose considering the vast disparity in resources and power between them and their ideological enemies. I like the idea of committing more energy to the cat and mouse game of cracking apps and spoofing checks at this point.