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Comment by thaumasiotes

1 day ago

> we can barely stop new legislation we don't like, let alone pass new ones we do

These are literally the same process.

Is it? Stopping is a matter of ground swell support contacting representatives and saying "please don't". Enough people do it to enough receptive reps and they'll vote no.

Passing new ones that "you like" requires lawyers to write laws, get those laws in front of reps, get them to agree to try and pass it, stake some of their reputation on pushing it, get the ground swell to support it -- which might be difficult when the current law is "dont scan messages", you can easily say "hey dont scan anything! support that!" vs "hey scan somethings sometimes", cause many people will call that a slippery slope. I don't see how they are at all the same process.

  • Stopping legislation means organizing a sufficient number of no votes.

    Passing it means organizing a sufficient number of yes votes.

    They are the same process and they require exactly the same work. They take place at the exact same moment in time and space, although they are mutually exclusive.

    You're free to describe things however you want, but your descriptions won't change the underlying reality.

    • > You're free to describe things however you want, but your descriptions won't change the underlying reality.

      You should be delivering this advice to your nearest mirror.

    • > Passing it means organizing a sufficient number of yes votes.

      EU Parliament can't propose legislation, only vote on proposals from the Commission. We'd have to convince the Commission to propose a law to prevent themselves from trying to pass this bullshit over and over.