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Comment by 0x3f

13 hours ago

> Swift is designed to be the language you reach for at every layer of the software stack.

It's a nice lang for sure, but this will never be true with the way things are. Such wasted opportunity by Apple.

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frizlab  12 hours ago

How so? I can indeed target every layer of the software stack using Swift, today.

E.g. ClearSurgery[0] is written fully in Swift, including the real-time components running on the Linux boxes.

[0] https://clearsurgery.vision

  • 0x3f  12 hours ago

    I _can_ do the same with Rust, doesn't mean it's "the language I reach for" for making e.g. a website. Because the tooling, ergonomics, hireability factor, etc. are still very harshly against it.

    Same with Swift, but I'd call that more of a wasted opportunity because Apple, unlike Rust Foundation, has a mountain of money to make it happen, and yet they don't seem to care.

    • frizlab  11 hours ago

      > They don't seem to care.

      I don’t believe that’s true. Things are moving constantly, and in the right direction. Then again it would help if you cited particular grievances, because being a regular (cross-platform/cross-target) Swift user I am not sure what you are talking about…

      I did not choose ClearSurgery’s example randomly. I was at a conference recently where the CTO was here, and he explicitly told us they were moving fast thanks to the Swift ecosystem. (I am not working there personally, nor am I affiliated.)

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  • zarzavat  12 hours ago

    I don't know why anyone would want to use Apple tools if they are not developing for Apple platforms. Apple barely maintains compatibility for their own platforms, using Swift on a non-Apple platform is setting yourself up for doubule pain.

  • jkman  1 hour ago

    Out of curiosity, could you point to a tech blog or something else going over clearsurgery's stack? That's really interesting