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Comment by doubled112

3 days ago

I've joked that on some services, when you're clicking buttons, you're actually opening tickets that a human needs to action.

That scenario is an example. You complete an action on a web page and nothing works. You make no further changes and hours later it works perfectly. Your human wasn't fast enough that day.

That's the "digital escort" process mentioned in the very long OP. Understandably, the US government got mad when they found out that cheap Chinese tech support staff were being used for direct intervention on "secure" VMs.

  • That's not what the "problem" was. It's that cheap American support people were "escorting" foreign Microsoft SWEs, so they could manage and fix services they wrote and were the subject matter experts for in the sovereign cloud instances which they otherwise would have no access to.

    And this was NOT for the government clouds we have that hold classified data. Those are air-gapped clouds that physically cannot be accessed by anyone who doesnt have a TS clearance and physically go into a SCIF.

    source: I work in a team very closely related the team who designed digital escort.

    • Yes but this misses the underlying point: this is the same software. It suffers from the same defects. If your management stack keeps crashing and leaking VMs you are seeing a reduction in the operational capacity of the fleet. If you are still there just tour Azure Watson and tell me if you’d want the military to rely on that system in wartime? Don’t forget things like IVAS and God knows what else that are used during operations while Azure node agents happily crash and restart on the hosts. The system should be no-touch and run like an appliance, which is predicated on zero crashes or 100% crash resiliency. In Windows Core we pursued a single Watson bucket with a single hit until it was fixed. Different standards.

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> I've joked that on some services, when you're clicking buttons, you're actually opening tickets that a human needs to action.

I just experienced one startup where the buttons just happen to only work during business hours on the US west coast.

> when you're clicking buttons, you're actually opening tickets that a human needs to action

I had one public cloud vendor sales literally admit this was the case with their platform. But they were now selling "the new one" which is supposed to be better.

It was, a lot. But only compared to the old one.