While its current performance is not competitive, there are currently interesting options. I got the orange pi riscv version, mainly to test riscv while it's slow compared to other arm socs, it's still better than I expected. There are even risc v TPUs now.
ARM is British (America’s closest ally) and proprietary. If you’re swapping, just eliminate the risk and cost entirely.
LoongArch is 32-bit instructions only. This means no MCUs due to poor code density. That forces them into RISCV anyway at which point, you might as well pour all your money and dev time into one ISA instead of two. RISCV has way more worldwide investment meaning LoongArch looks like a losing horse in the long term when it comes to software.
i've been hearing about arm computer for almost twenty years and only just recently general-purpose decently-priced arm laptops have been released (qualcomm laptops, the macbook neo).
and arm desktop are still not a thing, in practice.
The desktop market is not the only product space anymore.
Apple has had brilliant success with its ARM processors, proving that ARM is more than capable. Before Apple's switch, Chromebooks had been using ARM since 2011.
Android is the dominant operating system in mobile and most Android devices use the ARM platform. Many of these devices have desktop capability -- they are a viable convergence platform.
I think the Surface Laptops (2018?) count, and arguably the previous models (2012+) sorta-kinda count (tablet + keyboard).
Side note: It's kinda funny to me that "the keyboard is detachable, the screen is glass and you can touch/write on it" makes it "lesser" than a laptop rather than being an upgrade.
But yeah, definitely happy to see more in this space. Now we just need e-Paper laptops to take off as well :)
You're probably already using a RISC-V computer, it's just embedded as a supervisor in some other gadget (or vehicle) you own.
I look forward to running my _own_ software on a RISC-V computer.
While its current performance is not competitive, there are currently interesting options. I got the orange pi riscv version, mainly to test riscv while it's slow compared to other arm socs, it's still better than I expected. There are even risc v TPUs now.
This underestimates the will of governments and companies Europe and especially China to reduce their dependency on US-controlled technology.
ARM isn't US controlled, is it? British and also now Japanese since it's owned by SoftBank.
Meanwhile, wouldn't China be more heavily invested in Longsoon?
ARM is British (America’s closest ally) and proprietary. If you’re swapping, just eliminate the risk and cost entirely.
LoongArch is 32-bit instructions only. This means no MCUs due to poor code density. That forces them into RISCV anyway at which point, you might as well pour all your money and dev time into one ISA instead of two. RISCV has way more worldwide investment meaning LoongArch looks like a losing horse in the long term when it comes to software.
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I hope our complacent companies get a shot of competition.
I already have one! (But it's technically a soldering iron...)
I think 10 years is a more realistic estimate. Probably first in servers and Android phones.
They are everywhere already in microcontrollers like ESP32.
unironically, this.
i've been hearing about arm computer for almost twenty years and only just recently general-purpose decently-priced arm laptops have been released (qualcomm laptops, the macbook neo).
and arm desktop are still not a thing, in practice.
Well, Apple M1/M2/etc. are, technically, ARMv8, and they're available as desktops.
Also the Acorn Archimedes is, technically, an ARM / RISC desktop.
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> arm desktop are still not a thing
The desktop market is not the only product space anymore.
Apple has had brilliant success with its ARM processors, proving that ARM is more than capable. Before Apple's switch, Chromebooks had been using ARM since 2011.
Android is the dominant operating system in mobile and most Android devices use the ARM platform. Many of these devices have desktop capability -- they are a viable convergence platform.
I think the Surface Laptops (2018?) count, and arguably the previous models (2012+) sorta-kinda count (tablet + keyboard).
Side note: It's kinda funny to me that "the keyboard is detachable, the screen is glass and you can touch/write on it" makes it "lesser" than a laptop rather than being an upgrade.
But yeah, definitely happy to see more in this space. Now we just need e-Paper laptops to take off as well :)
I have an ARM desktop from 1986 or 1987
https://chrisacorns.computinghistory.org.uk/Computers/A500.h...
Donald Trump might make it five.