Comment by oatmeal1
6 days ago
People are okay with violence when democratic means (if first past the post even counts) do not solve their problems.
6 days ago
People are okay with violence when democratic means (if first past the post even counts) do not solve their problems.
People being okay with violence when they lose the democratic vote is a problem. The system isn't perfect, but again, if you're resorting to violence instead of campaigning for change, society either has to crush you, or we're all going to anarchy
This is an incredibly privileged take. Also incredibly wrong.
We've been trying peaceful and democratic means for the better part of a century. It hasn't worked and is met with increasing levels of violence from the government. Right now, today the US government is abducting and murdering innocent citizens in broad daylight. No amount of lobbying is going to stop that.
The explicit and overt goal of this administration is to seize power and do away with democracy. No conceivable democratic process can stop that. Peaceful protest doesn't work, the government kills people when they try.
Every means of peaceful protest is met with extreme violence and suppression. And the violence keeps escalating.
People are resorting to violence because violence against the people is escalating. If you can't see that, then you're the problem. If you think violence is inexcusable, then you must also think that peaceful protesters deserve to get executed in the street.
We are already in anarchy. Laws don't matter, only the whims of our dear leader. Private citizens can be plucked off the street or outright murdered with zero consequence or accountability. Dear leader can declare nuclear war without congressional oversight.
If you think violence is inexcusable, you should really read the goddamn declaration of independence. It is a fundamental human right to remove tyranny by whatever means possible. Just because you, personally don't feel threatened by the us government does not mean that innocent people aren't dying. How many citizens do you think a government should be allowed to execute for no reason? How many nukes should one be allowed to launch without cause?
Democracy has been eschewed by our government. Democratic means don't work and haven't for quite some time. Laws no longer apply to the government. If you want to argue that violence is still inexcusable, you're actually arguing for complete and unquestioned obedience to a fascist government. That's not an exaggeration of any kind, this is what's actually happening in the US right now. Democracy is over, we've been an anarchist state for a few years now.
It's a shame there isn't a good alternative.
people are never OK with violence against human beings.
This has to be one of the most naive comments I've read on this site.
Theres example after example of people in history being totally fine with violence against human beings.
No need to look at history. We have plenty of contemporary examples.
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For some reason people get really stupid when presented with something uncomfortable to them.
we used to sacrifice lambs to appease the gods but we don’t do that anymore.
Have you met people?
touche :)
Yet we live in a very violent world, some people are definitely ok with it.
Or I missed a hint and you’re dehumanizing them?
Unfortunately some people are.
this is true for just about everything, there is always some as outliers for whatever but isn’t true in general. there are people I believe are rotten to the core but would never wish any violence against them
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Are you kidding? Read the news. Many Americans are totally fine with dropping bombs on other countries (which, you know, kill human beings) if they feel that their cause is "just". They're also OK with violence against human beings in their own country if those people happen to not have the proper documentation, or they're protesting against violence.