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Comment by ohhman11

14 hours ago

>The crime is detrimental to innocent people, and although mass surveillance should not be the answer, it can only be fought through democratic processes.

Mass surveillance is detrimental to innocent people and to democratic processes.

Anyone deliberately facilitating that certainly deserves the worst fate imaginable. These are tools tailor-made to destroy democracies, we should treat people behind them like we treat ISIS.

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pixl97  14 hours ago

Yep once the system is set up, no matter how good its intentions, the government will get a group of bad people who then use said monitoring system to entrench their power.

peyton  14 hours ago

The article references “public panic buttons” and how

> There is active participation by the citizenry, where they connect their private security devices to the command centers run by the state

You don’t really believe anybody using a “public panic button” or hooking up their own alarm system to law enforcement deserves the worst fate imaginable. That’s a little extreme.

What are we even trying to accomplish here? It sounds like individuals in parts of Mexico are trying to protect themselves.

There has to be some compromise between ideals and reality. If you reflexively tell people “you can’t help the cops for the sake of democracy,” they’re gonna throw out the democracy part and keep the cops part.

Maybe a short stint in jail in the case of misconduct, but the worst fate imaginable? Chopped up in a suitcase?

  • ohhman11  14 hours ago

    That's not even close to their main product, who cares?

    You went from "license plate readers, stationary cameras, and panic buttons abound" in the article to "panic buttons", feels a bit dishonest.

next_xibalba  14 hours ago

> Anyone deliberately facilitating that certainly deserves the worst fate imaginable. These are tools tailor-made to destroy democracies, we should treat people behind them like we treat ISIS.

Just so you know, I and many people like me will automatically align with whoever opposes you due to this rhetoric. Whatever it takes to ensure you and those who agree with you never, ever get any foothold in the discourse, let alone power. You are writing extremist and very dangerous things. It’s vile rhetoric and in a just world would be flagged to oblivion.

  • ohhman11  2 hours ago

    And that's fine, I'm willing to accept that the world is full of people who hate freedom.

    I have no doubt that the positions you paint as more acceptable than mine are an existential threat.

    >Whatever it takes to ensure you and those who agree with you never, ever get any foothold in the discourse, let alone power

    Luckily the likes of you lost already. Trumps idiocy pretty much ensured that we'll get a real fight rather than a polite march into the dystopian surveillance nightmare you wish for.

    There's no-one seriously trying to turn down the temperature, the fight is going to happen. I'm armed to the teeth (in the EU!) and ready to do my best to ensure that the good guys win.

  • pesus  13 hours ago

    And this is an excellent example of how "polite" fascists come to power. After all, the one with the more "civilized" rhetoric must be the one to support, regardless of why people are so strongly opposed to them.