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Comment by testaccount28

13 hours ago

ah, the paper acknowledges this. my bad for jumping to the diagrams!

On page 11, the paper explicitly states:

> EML-compiled formulas work flawlessly in symbolic Mathematica and IEEE754 floating-point… This is because some formulas internally might rely on the following properties of extended reals: ln 0 = −∞, e^(−∞) = 0.

And then follows with:

> But EML expressions in general do not work ‘out of the box’ in pure Python/Julia or numerical Mathematica.

Thus, the paper’s completeness claim depends on a non-standard arithmetic convention (ln(0) = -∞), not just complex numbers as it primarily advertises. While the paper is transparent about this, it is however, buried on page 11 rather than foregrounded as a core caveat. Your comment deserves credit for flagging it.

  • I would not call a "non-standard arithmetic convention" that ln(0) = -∞.

    This is the standard convention when doing operations in the extended real number line, i.e. in the set of the real numbers completed with positive and negative infinities.

    When the overflow exception is disabled, any modern CPU implements the operations with floating-point numbers as operations in the extended real number line.

    So in computing this convention has been standard for more than 40 years, while in mathematics it has been standard for a couple of centuries or so.

    As always in mathematics, when computing expressions, i.e. when computing any kind of function, you must be aware very well which are the sets within which you operate.

    If you work with real numbers (i.e. in a computer you enable the FP overflow exception), then ln(0) is undefined. However, if you work with the extended real number line, which is actually the default setting in most current programming languages, then ln(0) is well defined and it is -∞.

    • Apparently Python throws an exception. This surprised me, I expected it to only throw for integers. Throwing for floats is weird and unsafe.

          >>> import math
          >>> math.log(0.0)
          Traceback (most recent call last):
            File "<python-input-2>", line 1, in <module>
              math.log(0.0)
              ~~~~~~~~^^^^^
          ValueError: expected a positive input, got 0.0
      

      though if you use numpy floats you only get a warning:

          >>> import numpy as np
          >>> np.log(np.float64(0))
          <python-input-1>:1: RuntimeWarning: divide by zero encountered in log
          np.float64(-inf)
      

      JavaScript works as expected:

          > Math.log(0.0)
          -Infinity
          > Math.log(-0.0)
          -Infinity
          > Math.log(-0.1)
          NaN

  • The author does address this further on page 14 of SI and provides an alternative of:

    −z = 1 − (e − ((e − 1) − z))