Comment by x187463
1 day ago
Many hit games originated as mods. If the Turtle WoW team really are on to something, they should pursue it as an independent game.
1 day ago
Many hit games originated as mods. If the Turtle WoW team really are on to something, they should pursue it as an independent game.
How is that supposed to work when the main product is nostalgia? It's a mod for people who think the first-party expansions aren't true to the core of the original game - how could an independent game with completely new IP ever have the same draw?
You really can't compare this to something like DotA, where the original engine and IP was basically set dressing for the new game built within it. People were primarily interested in the mechanics - which is why DotA-the-game and League of Legends were able to become so popular.
It can work. Old School RuneScape runs almost entirely on nostalgia, but the community voting system they have for introducing new content keeps the game alive and fresh, even after 20 years.
Yes, but Jagex owns all of the IP there. Turtle can't use Warcraft's... world.
if the main product is nostalgia then it’s a derived work and you don’t get to claim moral superiority.
if they created genuinely novel mechanics that can stand on their own then they should do that.
Like you said, DOTA2 was a 1:1 mechanical clone but built from scratch without relying on Blizzard IP. League of Legends was a spiritual sequel with new IP.
Almost all fan projects that get shut down are 99% derived IP and 1% original. That will never fly. Nor should it.
Instead we get every game reinventing the wheel a thousand times. They all end up similar, because the base takes all of the effort to create, so the innovation on top ends up essentially being noise.
I don't think this is true. I think what you may be thinking of is many hit games did not create their own game engine.
No many hit games started as mods. League of Legends is the one that immediately jumps to mind, but I know there are many more coming from Quake and Doom mods etc.
Famously Counter Strike as well.
League of Legends is its own game built on an engine Riot made from scratch.
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Counter-Strike
Every MOBA that exists (DotA, LoL, HoN, etc)
Team Fortress
Killing Floor
PUBG
Natural Selection
Undoubtedly, many more that I can't recall off the top of my head.
The autochess genre (Teamfight Tactics) is basically a mod of a mod since it started as a custom game in Dota 2.
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Tower defense games.
Warcraft 3, the birthplace of so many amazing genres.
>Counter-Strike, Team Fortress, Natural Selection
These games used the GoldSrc engine. Any game built on this engine gets called a mod. But this is not what most people actually think of when people are talking about mods. Rust is not a mod of Unity. These are game engines that people built a game using.
>DotA
This was a custom map. Not a mod.
>LoL, HoN
These were built on in house game engines and were not a mod.
>PUBG
This game used UE4 and was not a mod.
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Ever heard of Dota 2? PUBG? Team Fortress 2?
None of those are mods. Dota 2 is its own game built on Source 2. PUBG used UE4. TF2 used Source.
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You don't need to make your own engine to make a hot game from a mod though?