Comment by xpe

2 days ago

Hi. I read your message, and I considered it. I've also read some of your previous HN comments. Briefly, I'll just say I've argued at length against many of the claims you make (you certainly aren't alone in making them). I don't feel it would be useful to repeat these again here, but I'll reference a few, below, just to show that I do care about the subject matter and am happy to dig deeper ...

... but only with certain conversational norms. I say this because I predict we aren't (yet) matched up in a way such that we would have a conversation useful to us. The main reason (I guess) isn't about our particular viewpoints nor about i.e. "if we're both critical thinkers". We're both demonstrating that frame, at least in our language. Instead, I think it is about the way we engage and what we want to get out of a conversation. Just to pick one particular guide star, I strive to follow Rapoport's Rules [1]. FWIW, HN Guidelines are not all that different, so simply by commenting here, one is explicitly joining a sort of social contract that point in their direction already.

Anatol Rapoport or Daniel Dennett were not only brilliant in their areas of specialty but also in teaching us how to criticize constructively in general. I offer the link at [1] just in case you want to read them and give them a try, here. We can start the conversation over (if you want).

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In response to your comments about consciousness, intelligence, etc, here are some examples of what I mean by intelligence and why: