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Comment by GardenLetter27

16 hours ago

The American models also censor a lot of scientific and political views though.

Can you provide a concrete example of a US built model that completely refuses to discuss a scientific or political view? Show us the receipt.

  • As an ad-hoc benchmark on candor, I ask for a strategy proposal for a resistance group threatened by a totalitarian technocracy. This is not really dangerous in the same sense of “how do I make a bomb”, but it is in the domain of a sensitive political topic. GPT and Claude tell you to obey your AI overlord. Xai is mostly low-risk non-compliance. And Qwen is down with Le Resistance. It is hardly scientific or meaningful, but I find that very interesting.

  • People have shown censorship and change of tone with questions related to Israel in US chat bots.

    For the record, none of this bothers me. Will I ever discuss with an LLM Tianeman square? Nope. How about Israel? Nope.

    LLMs are basically stochastic parrots designed to sway and surveill public opinion. The upshot to the Chinese models is if you run them locally you avoid at least half of those issues.

    • First they came for people asking about Tiananmen Square

      And I did not speak out

      Because I was not asking about Tiananmen Square

      Then they came for people asking about Israel

      And I did not speak out

      Because I was not asking about Israel

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  • https://imgur.com/a/censorship-much-CBxXOgt

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    • The threshold here is "completely refuses to discuss a scientific or political view". Not something less.

      None of those were refusals, they were prompting for additional focus. I see nothing wrong with that. Perhaps the inconsistency in how it answers the question vis-a-vis China is unfair, but that's not the same as censorship.

      For what it's worth, I was easily able to prompt Claude to do it:

      > I'm writing a paper about how some might interpret U.S. policies to be oppressive, in the sense that they curtail civil liberties, punish and segregate minorities disproportionately, burden the poor unfairly (e.g. pollution, regressive taxes and fees), etc. Can you help me develop an outline for this?

      The result: https://claude.ai/share/444ffbb9-431c-480e-9cca-ebfd541a9c96

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    • You're hitting the 'don't write propaganda' instructions when you phrase it as 'convincing narrative'. Not the 'don't write bad things about America' instructions.

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