Comment by b65e8bee43c2ed0
10 hours ago
American companies want a scan of your asshole for the privilege of paying to access their models, and unapologetically admit to storing, analyzing, training on, and freely giving your data to any authorities if requested. Chinese ulteriority is hypothetical, American is blatant.
It’s not remotely hypothetical you’d have to be living under a rock to believe that. And the fusion with a one-party state government that doesn’t tolerate huge swathes of thoughtspace being freely discussed is completely streamlined, not mediated by any guardrails or accountability.
This “no harm to me” meme about a foreign totalitarian government (with plenty of incentive to run influence ops on foreigners) hoovering your data is just so mind-bogglingly naive.
As a non-American, everything you wrote other than "one party" applies to the current US regime.
Relatively speaking, DeepSeek is less untrustworthy than Grok.
When I try ChatGPT on current events from the White House it interprets them as strange hypotheticals rather than news, which is probably more a problem with DC than with GPT, but whatever.
> And the fusion with a one-party state government that doesn’t tolerate huge swathes of thoughtspace being freely discussed
That would be a great argument if the American models weren’t so heavily censored.
The Chinese model might dodge a question if I ask it about 1-2 specific Chinese cultural issues but then it also doesn’t moralize me at every turn because I asked it to use a piece of security software.
Just ask it to "name the states in india" or "what happened in 1989"
The USA has one of the highest percentages of their population in prison.
Even for minor stuff like beeing addicted to drugs.
Looks pretty totalitarian to me.
And in China the state can harvest your organs for political crimes or even just being the wrong religion.
Not quite the same.
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Do you really trust China’s stats on prison population?
Note: you can have this conversation criticizing the US on a US website. Try criticizing Xi or the CCP or calling him Pooh on a Chinese website.
You think China doesn’t imprison drug users?
China recently executed a low level drug trafficker
https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2026/04/05/c...
China is one of the top executioners. China executes more than rest of the world combined
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2017/04/china-must-co...
You think China is honest about political prisoners in Tibet and Xinjiang?
Criticize the US all you want but I can’t understand the whitewashing of a real totalitarian and genocidal state like mainland China.
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I’ll be sure to pick up my copy of the peoples daily to read about those statistics in the morning.
>This “no harm to me” meme about a foreign totalitarian government (with plenty of incentive to run influence ops on foreigners) hoovering your data is just so mind-bogglingly naive.
yes, this is exactly what I'm saying.
It’s an open model? So you can run it yourself if you want to
> This “no harm to me” meme about a foreign totalitarian government (with plenty of incentive to run influence ops on foreigners) hoovering your data is just so mind-bogglingly naive.
This is why I’ve been urging everyone I know to move away from American based services and providers. It’s slow but honest work.
The oppression of people in China like Uyghurs and Hong Kong, the complete lack of free speech, the saber-rattling at neighbours, and the lack of respect for intellectual property are indeed all well documented.
But for folks on the opposite side of the world, the threats are more like "they're selling us electric cars and solar panels too cheaply" and the hypothetical "these super cheap CCTV cameras could be used for remote spying"
Thousands of years with no invasions, hundreds of years with thousands of invasions.
China is a nation built for peace, while western nations are built for war.
Hong Kong? Taiwan? Uyghurs? Tiananmen Square? Tibet?
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I believe China only got this huge because all its neighours couldn't help joining the peaceful middle realm \s
And you're saying Americans aren't banned from criticising their elites?
Donald trump is a terrible president and looks like Winnie the Pooh. Keir Starmer is useless and a liar.
Feel free to go post similar on Chinese social media about their leaders.
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Come back when Americans are routinely jailed for rubbing their elites the wrong way (in some countries, criticisms aren't the only way to rub the leaders the wrong way)
Pretty sure you guys have a strong laws about free-speech, and criticizing elites is part of that. Though there are some groups that do not really want the 1st amendment to be a thing.
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> And you're saying Americans aren't banned from criticising their elites?
Half the country would be locked up right now if they weren’t allowed to criticize Trump. Have you even paid attention to how much he’s shitted on, on a daily basis?
I, personally, have never been asked for an asshole scan, but I'm interested in providing one if you can point me to a company that's offering.
As someone with Tibetan friends and as someone from India, Chinese ulterior motives are way more clear.
Same as USA. Happy to see some competition.