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Comment by areoform

21 hours ago

This billing cycle my account was billed an extra $200.

I investigated. I was being for a Claude Max gift subscription that has been sent to – what appears to be – a randomly generated 27 char alphanumeric icloud email account that bounces.

Apparently, Anthropic doesn't have a centralized process that allows you to approve, see or revoke "gift cards." And no I can't use this hypothetical gift card. Because I can't see what the system generated, when it generated it, and if the "gift" sent to this 27 character alphanumeric string was redeemed.

Their support bot doesn't work. As it's a possibly suspicious charge (I certainly didn't buy it), I've been trying to get them to revoke it. But the bot passes it to a human and their humans just close the ticket without comment.

I realize that people working at Anthropic are "just" researchers building cutting edge models. And that Claude is really great and all. But hasn't anyone told them about the global legal risk of incorrectly billing millions of people?

What is their legal risk team doing? Their ops team? Or, whoever else is responsible. Even their own models, Opus 4.6, Opus 4.5 and so on will flag this as a legal risk on "max" thinking.

Because even if $200M to $20M seems "insignificant" next to the however many billions they made in the quarter. Knowingly perpetuating fraudulent billing practises is a real legal risk with real prosecutorial (and financial) consequences. It's absurd to me that so much of legal risk analysis fixates on how users use the tools they pay for, but not what's an obvious trigger for class action lawsuits and prosecutorial investigations in most jurisdictions.

This isn't even a threat. The FTC has taken Uber to court, https://www.ftc.gov/legal-library/browse/cases-proceedings/2... and is apparently seeking a few billion in fines?

https://www.independent.co.uk/us/money/uber-lawsuit-fines-bi...

Purposeful unauthorized billing was found to be fraudulent and defendants were made to fork over assets, https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2024/09/...

And this is government action in one jurisdiction. The EU has fines of 6% of global turnover, and yes, they too will seize assets if the fines are unpaid.

What I'm trying to say politely is, does the Anthropic team realize this is an insane legal risk. And to quote Trevor Moore's immortal words, "insanely illegal."

Why would you do this? Does anyone realize the implications of this? At all? Other than the AI models that the humans aren't paying attention to?

screenshots for anyone interested, https://x.com/_areoform/status/2048644232043434354

This billing cycle I was billed $20 three times.

I contacted my bank and got a reply (from a human) that all three payments are valid.

Emails from Anthropic state that the first two payments failed, but the third went through. Fin says that my question will be elevated to a human being, but so far I was not contacted.

Why don't you use Opus to draft a legal letter they need to answer at the latest on some firmly set date and send it to their legal department?

Maybe worth trying some of their ~legal-ish email addresses?

* notices@anthropic.com : from https://www.anthropic.com/legal/commercial-terms)

* usersafety@anthropic.com : from https://www.anthropic.com/legal/aup

* marketing@anthropic.com : https://www.anthropic.com/legal/consumer-terms

* disclosure@anthropic.com : from https://www.anthropic.com/responsible-disclosure-policy

* dpo@anthropic.com : from https://www.anthropic.com/legal/privacy

* pubsec@anthropic.com : from https://www.anthropic.com/news/claude-in-amazon-bedrock-fedr...

There's also their generic consumer ones, though I'd rate them as unlikely to do anything useful:

* support@anthropic.com : from https://www.anthropic.com/legal/consumer-terms

* privacy@anthropic.com : from https://www.anthropic.com/legal/privacy

And this out of left field one. They seem like actual lawyers:

* anthropicprivacy@bkl.co.kr : from https://www.anthropic.com/legal/privacy

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Interestingly, Anthropic's "Trust Center" has an "Evidence of Insurance" document listed under "Other documents": https://trust.anthropic.com/resources#69eff53d22c228b34e5379...

Looks like you need to "Request Access", but if it's an automated system then it may give you access. And there _might_ be insurance contacts listed there who would be interested in this. :)

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Follow up note -> Yep, it's automated and DOES give access to their docs. ;)

Their insurance levels don't really seem to be anywhere near what I'd expect frankly. To me, they look much lower than even entry level mandatory company insurance for brand new businesses at least in Australia. o_O

  •     Follow up note -> Yep, it's automated and DOES give access to their docs. ;)
        
        Their insurance levels don't really seem to be anywhere near what I'd expect frankly. To me, they look much lower than even entry level mandatory company insurance for brand new businesses at least in Australia. o_O
    

    What is their in-house counsel doing? How has no one flagged any of this?