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Comment by jordand

12 hours ago

Ladybird has a close relationship with FUTO which is a pretty oddly behaved private for-profit company ran by a bored multi-millionaire.

https://drewdevault.com/blog/Whats-up-with-FUTO/

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notenlish  10 hours ago

Didn't realize FUTO was connected to Eron Wolf, which connects to Curtis Yarvin, which connects to Palantir.

Great...

  • sethops1  4 hours ago

    What, do you sincerely believe Palantir is pulling the strings behind Ladybird? What is the accusation here? Everybody can be "connected" in some way or another, but it's meaningless.

    • chipotle_coyote  2 hours ago

      I think it's more a concern about the company one keeps; Ladybird's Andreas Kling has certainly ruffled feathers over the past couple of years by doubling down on anti-inclusionary language takes ("I'm not against gender neutral language, I'm just not going to allow it in my project") and supporting DHH's most douchebaggiest takes.

      I understand that not everybody cares about this sort of thing, believing that politics of developers should be irrelevant; I'm personally not going to go around ringing the shame bell at people who use Ladybird (or Rails. But Kling loudly shouting "I support the free speech rights of fascists but get away from me with that DEI shit" doesn't give me warm fuzzies about using Ladybird, either. It's a lot easier to let politics of developers be irrelevant if the developers aren't out there energetically sharing them.

LeFantome  3 hours ago

By “close relationship”, I assume you mean that FUTO is a financial sponsor.

Ladybird has been pretty clear that they will accept money from pretty much anybody but that funding will not provide influence.

I mean, they mostly make sure sponsors websites look good in Ladybird but even that seems like a low priority if you watch them.

  • jordand  40 minutes ago

    Andreas is involved with FUTO's conferences, and given a keynote presentation at one. It's more than just financial.

  • fabrice_d  1 hour ago

    It's very naive to believe the "no influence" part. I will never give to Ladybird given their closeness with fascists. Is that the kind of influence they expect?

kelvinjps10  4 hours ago

I thought it was more related to Louis Rossmann that's where I learnend from

  • LeFantome  2 hours ago

    Louis Rossmann Is directly related to FUTO and has passionately advocated for them.

    Ladybird has taken sponsorship money from FUTO and claims publicly that sponsorship provides no influence.