Comment by pjerem
9 hours ago
The news is not in the way to compare models, it’s that Kimi K2.6 (and I’d add Deepseek v4 Pro) are more or less equivalent to Opus and that’s already pretty big.
They are open source and cost waaaay less per token than American models.
I’m using them right now on the $20 Ollama cloud plan and I can actually work with them on my side projects without reaching the limits too much. With Claude Pro $20 plan my usage can barely survive one or two prompts.
And I choose Ollama cloud just because their CLI is convenient to use but their are a lot of other providers for those models so you aren’t even stuck with shitty conditions and usage rules.
To me that’s a pretty bad thing for American economy.
Or maybe it is a pretty good thing for the American economy that you can get AI at cost rather than monopoly pricing.
You know, for the rest of the economy that is not big tech.
It's not good for current administration. The American AI growth is only thing that keeps the GDP not looking terrible.
And investor pumping money in US AI circular money flow just makes innovation everywhere else slower. If not for the GPU/Memory drought running stuff locally (or just in competition cloud) would be far cheaper
> It's not good for current administration
I don't know where to begin if you're leading with that. Anything approaching reality is not good for the current administration.
That is the very reason the open source models exist. Prestige and soft power to influence interest away from American models and hopefully slow down their progress.
DeepSeek and other Chinese model makers are massively accelerating progress in AI not slowing it down. They're the only ones who still come up with real technical innovations while the proprietary model makers are stagnating.
I'm as happy to see cheap open weight models any anyone is, and I'm in Europe and certainly not cheering the US on, but that's a bunch of unfounded hyperbole you just said.
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That is a petty big assumption (aka bullshit) unless you have direct insight the inner workings of the big US labs. Just because it isn’t published doesn’t mean that innovation is not happening.
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Can you name some tangible AI idea that came out of Chinese labs?
I can name thousands that came out western universities.
I see a lot of rhetoric that only the Chinese labs are contributing to AI while companies like Google and Microsoft are still pulishing their research.
Unfortunately the domain of scientific papers is cluttered with AI slop but still occasional serious paper that i find are from western labs particularly Google Research or Microsoft Research
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I appreciate your reply but you are completely glossing over his point about how head to head model evals are useless lmao
They are no way as good as Opus yet. But Sonnet, yes. Using all in real life.
> for American economy.
There is more to American economy than big tech.
And that's precisely why this has started: https://www.wired.com/story/super-pac-backed-by-openai-and-p...
>There is more to American economy than big tech.
Most of the stock market valuation is big-tech, and most of people's retirements are the stock market, so... if the AI bubble bursts a lot of the US will be affected.
>Most of the stock market valuation is big-tech
Which is why most of it is a bubble
I do not know why this is downvoted. This is true.
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