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Comment by joe_mamba

7 hours ago

> life expectancy is lower in the US than in most of western Europe

Could be more tied to poor diet and lifestyle, and not the healthcare system itself.

Like if you sit on the chair all day on your remote job, then move to the couch for after-work Netflix and PS5, while you drink soda and eat processed food, then the only time you leave your house is you drive your Tesla/F-150 to Walmart and McDonald's, there's no magic healthcare system in the world that can undo decades of self inflicted damage.

Meanwhile people in some impoverished balkan town could end up living longer because they spend their entire lives moving outdoor all day in fresh air and only eat organic what they grow on their plot of land, even if their hospitals and healthcare systems are significantly worse than what americans have.

There's way more variables to life expectancy than just the healthcare system.

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thrance  1 hour ago

So, are American just inherently less disciplined that Europeans? Is that the issue with healthcare in America?

I find this explanation very unsatisfying. You have to look at systems to understand what is actually happening.

  • joe_mamba  1 hour ago

    >So, are American just inherently less disciplined that Europeans?

    I never said anything like that but you could be right on that. A lot of those lifestyle issues are creeping in other highly urbanized rich western countries. Especially mental illnesses due to loneliness, lack of family unit, poor economic outlook, etc

    >I find this explanation very unsatisfying.

    Then come up with a better one and share it.

    If you want to compare the success of health systems you need to compare just the health systems between them alone, not the life expectancy with is a cumulus of several other factors beyond the public + privately managed health systems, such as lifestyles, agriculture, diet, weather, genetics, income, exercise, pollution, etc.

    For example, compare waiting times for MRIs, treatments, operations, procedures, post-op infection rates, etc then compare the life expectancy of those who undergo those procedures/treatments, etc.

    >You have to look at systems to understand what is actually happening.

    I just did.