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Comment by dwedge

1 day ago

Oh is this the browser by that company that are funded half a billion dollars a year by Google and want to become an advertising company[1] and wants their browser to become a modern AI browser[2]?

[1] https://www.jwz.org/blog/2024/10/mozillas-ceo-doubles-down-o... [2] https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/leadership/mozillas-next...

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ranger_danger  1 day ago

Please feel free to suggest a better alternative.

  • dwedge  1 day ago

    Not being able to suggest an alternative for Chrome doesn't imply that Firefox is a good alternative.

    On GrapheneOS they recommend Vanadium - a more secure Chromium fork - and specifically recommend against Firefox, but that's on mobile.

    • Sayrus  1 day ago

      > Gecko doesn't have a WebView implementation (GeckoView is not a WebView implementation), so it has to be used alongside the Chromium-based WebView rather than instead of Chromium, which means having the remote attack surface of two separate browser engines instead of only one. Firefox/Gecko also bypass or cripple a fair bit of the upstream and GrapheneOS hardening work for apps. Worst of all, Firefox does not have internal sandboxing on Android.

      > The sandbox has been gradually improving on the desktop but it isn't happening for their Android browser yet.

      Context is definitely interesting to have with your statement (From https://grapheneos.org/usage).

    • freehorse  1 day ago

      Firefox _is_ a good alternative to chrome, though, by the arguments OP brought. What OP complained about are even worse in chrome.

      FF is largely funded by google money? Chrome _is_ google.

      FF invests in AI features? Google invests even more in AI features and shoves them to you without consent (which ff asked me for after upgrades).

      Maybe FF is not perfect or great or whatever by one's point of view, but it _is better_ than chrome, at least regarding these arguments.

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    • _blk  1 day ago

      Graphene user here: Firefox is my standard browser because I like it but mostly because it runs ublock Origin (which again causes me to like it). Vanadium I use for social media sites so I'm not logged in to those on the primary browser.

  • airstrike  1 day ago

    FWIW I've recently moved from Firefox to Helium after 10+ years.

    Yes, I hate that it's also Chromium, but no, there aren't real alternatives.

    • ranger_danger  1 day ago

      There are Firefox forks that don't have any AI/advertising/etc. stuff in it.

      There's also WebKit-based FOSS browsers not based on Chromium nor Gecko. Upstream it's maintained by Apple but the open source webkit browsers should not have any questionable features by default.