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Comment by awesome_dude

20 hours ago

> Pragmatically, correlation is evidence of causation in favour of the best explanation, until somebody finds a better explanation.

Uh, no.

Correlation is only ever one thing - cause for investigation.

Everything based on correlation alone is speculation.

You can speculate all you like, I have zero issue with that, but that's best prefaced with "I guess"

edit: Science captures this perfectly, and people misunderstand this so fundamentally that there is a massive debate where people who think they are "pro science" argue this so badly with theists that they completely hoist themselves with their own petard.

Science uses the term "theory" because all of our understanding is based on "available data" - and science biggest contribution to humanity is that it accepts that the current/leading THEORY can and will be retracted if there is compelling data discovered that demonstrates a falsehood.

So - because I know this is coming - yes science is willing to accept some correlation - BUT it's labelled "theory" or "statistically significant" because science is clear that if other data arises then that idea will need to be revisited.

Very often you only have limited time for investigation and you have to act now. Action is almost always based on educated guesses.

  • You have moved from "We know" to "We have an educated guess" which is the right way to couch things.

    However I wanted to also point out that relying only on educated guesses can lead us into a position where we are "papering over the cracks" or "addressing the symptoms", not the "underlying cause"

    Yes, sometimes that's all that can be done, but, also, sometimes it can be more damaging than the cause itself (thinking in terms of the cause continuing to fester away, whilst we think it's 'solved')

    • > You have moved from "We know" to "We have an educated guess"

      No. You kept blabbering about "science" when most uses of knowledge are not about science. The original topic was also definitely not "science": it was about having a reasonable opinion about whether, empirically, the rate of discovery of vulnerabilities is increasing or not.

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