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Comment by Scaled

6 hours ago

Parental controls on device are a better solution that work today and don't carry a risk of data breach.

They would be a solution if almost all parents used them, but parents don't want to socially isolate their kids since a lot of "social" activity is now on social media. It's kind of a prisoner's dilemma.

There's not necessarily wrong. Despite the vapid and damaging nature of most popular online media, isolating a child from it might have even worse social consequences when their real-life peer groups discover that they're not on social media or that their parents have neutered their phone. Some kids would turn out fine after that. Others would be socially destroyed for life (maybe with the right therapy they could become well-adjusted, but high quality therapy is rare).

  • How about we just ban entirely the harmful social media that we would need to attach all our IDs to our internet activity in order to protect the children? Very strange that that's not part of the discussion!

  • > They would be a solution if almost all parents used them

    No, they are a solution for parents who want to use them, and that's all they should be. Their existence demonstrates that it's possible to handle this without regulation, other than the desire of some people to inflict their preferences onto other people's kids.

    • You haven't tried to use parental controls much have you? They are all terrible. They are insanely difficult to get set up properly and even when you do there are a lot of tradeoffs that come with it.

  • I should not have to surrender my anonymity because parents are too lazy to setup parental controls.

  • Parental controls can set browsers in "child mode" where the browser sends an "I am a child" header to the server and social networks etc. need to honour it. This has existed for twelve years already: https://blog.mozilla.org/netpolicy/2014/07/22/prefersafe-mak... . It can probably be amended with a more granular set of levels, but that would be the best way forward.

    The problem of "parents are negligent" is also solved by existing laws which have fines for parents who are negligent towards their children, and governments absolutely love collecting fines, so all the incentives are properly aligned.

Parental controls are intentionally gimped. They do the bare minimum while providing more than enough wiggle room for a tech savvy teenager. To implement a robust parental control scheme you need network level filtration which isn't something the average parent will know anything about.

Are they a better solution? Yes

Do they work currently? Not really

Are they too complex for the avg joe to work out. Unfortunately yes. (Something about the smartest bears and the dumbest humans)

  • Joe can walk into an Apple store (or wherever they purchased the device) and ask them to enable parental controls on it. We have people whose job it is to service computers and phones, they have been around for more than half a century. I am pretty sure most Joes don't service their cars either, yet they keep them road legal by visiting trained mechanics.

  • As long as Joe has the right to vote, which is something more important and more complex, we cannot complain that parental control is too complex.