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Comment by ruguo

13 hours ago

I wonder if companies like Apple will eventually start making memory themselves.

But memory is a quite a specialist manufacturing process, they couldn't just send a design to TSMC and get the same quality and cost. It would take years (decades) to create their own factories that might be able to produce competitive memory. If they use a third party to manufacture with existing skills (Samsung, SK Hynix, Micron etc) they might as well just use their designs too (and buy their chips)

I would suspect at Apple scale it makes sense.

Apple has started making a lot of different things in house, its only a matter of time imo.

  • I doubt they want to make a commodity.

    But who knows. Their unified memory architecture across core types already puts them in a different design space. Maybe that design space leads them to further opportunities for memory architecture differentiation.

    I could see them (1) taking the two processing chips that make up an Ultra in coming generations, (2) fabbed with logic on top, and power distributed on the back side, as Intel is going for, and (3) sandwiching the logic sides around a layer of unified RAM, with (4) massive optical linking distributed across the surfaces, resulting in (5) unbelievable bandwidths and parallelism we couldn't dream of today.

    And then, (6) announcing it at WWDC 2029 and (7) taking my money 5 minutes after the midnight when pre-order's start.

Or they can go to existing manufacturers with bags of money and have the experts build them their own production lines, and secure the supply.

in a sense that's exactly what cartel wants - to lure out investments that will get squashed into uselessness by supply flood that will follow

  • The key is Apple can be their own customer and just not care anymore.

    It’ll probably only be worth it if it enables something “new” like more bigger Ultra chips or something.

they blew it! They could have bought Intel for cheap and made memory AND CPUs!

  • Apple knows better than to buy a pile of incompetent smugs. Intel was rock bottom before Europe determined it was a “strategic move”[1] to buy factories in Europe from the only manufacturer that hasn’t innovated since 20 years, quickly followed by the US. In both cases, governments aren’t the most savvy spenders.

    [1] A “strategic” expense is named like this when you can’t justify it by any rational means.