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Comment by chrisco255

14 hours ago

Yeah, its no accident that the U.S. is the number one economy, it comes from that kind of thinking across the populace. Complacency gets you conquered.

> its no accident that the U.S. is the number one economy

Sure, it's the largest by GDP, but how much of that GDP is filtering down to the regular people? Are Americans, on average happier and have better life outcomes than other developed nations?

  • > but how much of that GDP is filtering down to the regular people?

    An absolutely insane amount. It's ridiculous just how wealthy and the quality of life the average American has compared to the world.

    > Are Americans, on average happier and have better life outcomes than other developed nations?

    Yeah for the most part they are in the same ballpark.

    • > An absolutely insane amount. It's ridiculous just how wealthy and the quality of life the average American has compared to the world.

      I've been there last year. This is absolutely not true compared to Europe, including post-soviet states. Might have been true a few decades back maybe. Of course, we can argue that the US citizens have it made compared to someone in Kenya (do they?) but that's not the spirit of the question, is it?

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  • So much that millions of people risk their lives or leave their families to come to this country. By this objective metric, it's literally the best country in the world's history.

    Is there another country that comes close?

    • If you read my comment, I asked if Americans are happier than people in developed countries. How many million Europeans, Canadians or Australians are risking their lives to come to the US?

      Sure, if you're from say, Haiti, even the US will look very attractive, but the bar is pretty low there, wouldn't you say?

    • Migration isn't a US problem. Europe has it too. So as a country probably not, but that's also because the US is big and has a large land border to the south.

    • The reason someone has to risk his life to get to the US could be because the US is the greatest country, at the same time you could also consider the influence that the US in its history has had on other countries so that the life of the people are miserable there.

      (e.g. backing and installing dictatorships[1], contributing massively to climate change, ...)

      [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_dictatorship_of_Chile

Number one economy if you ignore the comical debt. The US is borrowing from the future. Those chickens are going to come home to roost.

You made sickness and dying contribute to GDP, of course you are number one. Keep it.

As a non-American I agree with this. There is a whole different energy to Americans in terms of mindset compared to Europeans (not just in business). I think Europe have outstanding talent, and when it comes together it can be exceptionally good and often in a more sustainable way than the American equivalent, but it's a somewhat sad fact that many of the most successful European companies have been successful by emulating (parts of) the American culture.

it kind of is an accident that ww2 didn't effect the united states but did effect europe and asia rather a lot.

We could do with a little less of it IMO. But I have heard plenty from European expats about the entrenched complacency over there. I'm told people looking to improve some system or product run right into a wall of "Why bother?".

  • The flipside of that is that Europeans generally get way more vacation and free time, and as a consequence, can enjoy life more.

    • On average yes they seem to be better off. I have been lucky and have certainly beat the European average quality of life.