Comment by nerdsniper
4 hours ago
What does racist mean?
I don’t know why specifying undergraduate is “too funny to you”…I specified undergrad because TFA was about undergrads. At no point did TFA mention any graduate student body - but it took care to explicitly reference decisions and feedback from multiple specific undergraduate bodies:
- (Undergraduate) Honor Committee [0]
- Senior Survey
- Undergraduate Student Government
- Dean of Undergraduate Students
- Faculty-Student Committee on Discipline [1]
> In The Daily Princetonian’s 2025 Senior Survey of over 500 seniors, 29.9 percent of respondents reported that they had cheated on an assignment or exam during their time at Princeton. 44.6 percent of senior respondents reported knowledge of Honor Code violations that they chose not to report. Only 0.4 percent of seniors responded saying that they had reported a peer for an Honor Code violation.
An Undergraduate Student Government survey of students cited in the proposal reportedly found that “a majority would favor proctoring or are indifferent to any change,” though a “sizeable minority opposes it on the grounds that students should behave honorably, and that faculty and students should trust each other given the 1893 Honor Code compact.”
The proposal states that Gordin met with and received endorsements on the policy from “current and former student chairs of the Honor Committee; colleagues from the Office of the Dean of Undergraduate Students and the McGraw Center for Teaching and Learning; the Faculty-Student Committee on Discipline; and the Academics Chair of the Undergraduate Student Government.”
“Undergraduates and faculty are realistic in understanding that having an instructor supervising examinations will not eradicate cheating,” the proposal notes. “However, they believe that there will be a significant deterrent effect, and that having an additional witness in the room will reduce pressure on students to notice and report concerns while they are themselves completing exams.”
0: https://honor.princeton.edu/front : Note that the “Honor Committee” is an undergraduate body, there is no graduate Honor Committee at Princeton.
1: https://odus.princeton.edu/student-support-and-community-sta... “ composed of faculty members, undergraduate students, and administrators, adjudicates all potential violations of academic integrity regulations by undergraduate students” (has nothing at all to do with graduate students)
Huh? I was referring to the 2nd page of the link you submitted earlier. You acted like there are only a few Chinese students at Princeton when they are the overwhelming majority of the graduate international student body. Did you not look at your own evidence?
And brother, I don't give a shit what Princeton students have to say about the invigilation situation. That's an inmates running the asylum kind of thing. It's obvious that such a system is unworkable in the modern world when Ivy League schools in particular (and most schools in the top 50 globally) export many of the students they educate. A university education these days is, for most students, a means to an end, which is employment. And employers care about grades, meaning there is an unrelenting and rational incentive to cheat.
The world where only wealthy gentlemen go to university and are highly incentivised to learn instead of cheat no longer exists.
TFA stands for “The Fucking Article”, as in RTFA: Read The Fucking Article.
In a root level response to TFA, you argued:
“(Self-proctored exams) may have worked back in the 1800s … but these days when half the student body is Chinese expats who need the degree to get high paying jobs back in Shanghai…why wouldn’t they cheat?”
I pointed out the fallacy of your argument, in that the Chinese proportion of the affected population from TFA is not, in fact, half (it is 1%).
Then you argued that the Chinese proportion of the graduate students is significant.
I pointed out that the graduate students have nothing to do with TFA.
Now you are doubling down on the graduate system, which is not part of the change today.
I don't know what you’re talking about, but it sure as shit isn't The Fucking Article. RFTA.