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Comment by applfanboysbgon

12 hours ago

You probably won't find direct proof any more than you will find direct proof of any random VPN selling your data, it's just a given that commercial entities are liable to sell financially valuable data, and a list of all traffic, every website you visit and every service you use, tied to a specific identity is certainly financially valuable. Being in the EU doesn't change this; in fact the EU explicitly required that ISPs retain your identifying data with the Data Retention Directive, and though this was struck down after 8 years in court, many individual national governments immediately moved to impose similar requirements. I don't know if Germany was one of them but unless Germany has a specific privacy directive that goes beyond EU law I would see zero reason to place any trust in an ISP. In fact even if there was a law that's still not a reason to trust an ISP, because privacy laws are violated constantly; the most trustworthy source by far is a party acting opposite to the government, who has been investigated by the government and proven not to log the data that the government wants.

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KingOfCoders  12 hours ago

"EU explicitly required that ISPs retain your identifying data with the Data Retention Directive"

And then sells it?

  • applfanboysbgon  12 hours ago

    What gives you confidence that they aren't? I have confidence my VPN doesn't sell my traffic not because I implicitly trust what they say, but because if they had logs the courts would have found them when trying to seize data themselves. What makes you trust your ISP so much? Faith in the human goodness of businesses to look out for the best interests of their customers, even if it means passing up an opportunity to make a larger profit? Faith in their words, or faith in toothless privacy laws that have been violated time and time again?

    • KingOfCoders  10 hours ago

      "What gives you confidence that they aren't?"

         What gives you the confidence that Bigfoot does not exist?
   What gives you the confidence we're not ruled by Reptile overlords?
   What gives you the confidence we're not just in the Matrix and nothing matters?
   What gives you the confidence you're not just a dream by a dog in Sicily?
   What gives you the confidence I even exist and you're not talking to yourself?

      You're entitled to your conspiracy theories and paranoia of course, but it's not an argument.

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