Comment by dawnerd
6 days ago
Also the least fun part of development. Maybe I’m the weird one but I like to just jump right in, planning every last detail before writing code is boring.
6 days ago
Also the least fun part of development. Maybe I’m the weird one but I like to just jump right in, planning every last detail before writing code is boring.
For me, the fun in programming is sometimes to actually write code, solving a problem in a specific way or try some new approach. Other times the fun is to create something that works, and the code is more a means to an end.
The first case I'll probably still do by hand, like handmade vases despite factory made are cheap and readily available.
For the second case I think these newfangled tools have made it even more fun, since writing lots of boiler plate, repetitive event handles and whatnot is not my idea of fun.
> I think these newfangled tools have made it even more fun, since writing lots of boiler plate, repetitive event handles and whatnot is not my idea of fun
That’s what code generators, snippets plugins, macros, and the old copy-paste are here for. I wonder if you were using notepad to code. Because even nano had macros.
Those tools only get you so far, especially if you write something novel to you. Using a new framework or programming language say.
Sometimes using a new framework or programming language is the fun part.
But sometimes it's just the best way of solving a problem incidental to the fun part.
One of the two projects I vibed included a web frontend. I didn't touch a single line of HTML, CSS or JavaScript of the frontend. And I didn't touch the API on the backend. I'm not a web dev, so this isn't something I've got snippets for or whatever, and in this case wasn't the interesting part.
The interesting part for me in that case was making a tool that could help us, not the details how exactly how that was done.
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> planning every last detail before writing code is boring
Not only that but you can't really plan everything. It is impossible. Without LLMs, with every line of code you are making a decision or discovering something new that must be dealt with or realizing how the current thing might impact something else and so on.
There is no way for a programmer to consider all of these little things ahead of time and if an attempt is made, it will take as long as actually writing that code.
> Without LLMs, with every line of code you are making a decision or discovering something new that must be dealt with or realizing how the current thing might impact something else and so on.
Part of this is true, part of it the agents catch at least a non-trivial portion of. If you prompt it to do a review, especially with a specific angle like ensuring sustained write performance, or how it will work when the future extensions are implemented, they do often catch a lot of issues.
I agree you lose a fair bit of the sense of "it feels like I'm doing something wrong", or "this doesn't seem optimal" etc. I think the skill in using these tools is to determine when you need that control and where it doesn't really matter.