Comment by leonidasrup
6 hours ago
Who do you mean "we"? Look at the evolution of CO2 emisions in the past 40 years by region.
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/annual-co-emissions-by-re...
6 hours ago
Who do you mean "we"? Look at the evolution of CO2 emisions in the past 40 years by region.
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/annual-co-emissions-by-re...
I find that the per capita graph is more informative https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/co-emissions-per-capita?t...
Why does per capita matter when it’s the total emissions that we actually care about?
Wonderful, the United States uses more per capita than anyone else. That doesn’t mean anything in terms of total warming. Even if we cut to zero we still continue.
Because emissions are caused by people heating their homes, fueling cars/planes or building stuff for consumption.
With twice as many people (acting similarly) you have twice the emissions, it's as simple as that.
To reduce emissions, you need everyone doing their part. And it is also obviously easier and more effective to tackle high-emitters first (because incentivizing a single US family to have their second car be a bit smaller and electric is obviously less burdensome than banning 3 Indian families from heating their homes in winter...)
China should clearly just stop manufacturing the US’s entire way of life right now to bring those numbers down.
Because per capita means that each individual consumes a lot more than the average in the US.
Also, a bit portion of China's excessive growth in emissions is a byproduct of manufacturing shit for US consumers.
Maybe co2 per gdp per capita? Who generates the most wealth while emitting the least co2.
Per capita doesn't mean nearly as much as total. If the countries above the US were instead on par or below the US as it relates to totals, we wouldn't have the same issue we have now.
If the US went to zero we also wouldn't have the same issue as we have now.
Why should the US be entitled to pollute the world while everyone else has to live without any confort?
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In good faith I cannot see an argument here, it's either
Region X was first and reduced their emissions 10-20% so it's fine and it's region Y that's the problem, or
Region X is fine because they have less people, region Y should reduce even though they already have a fraction of per-capita emissions
Both seem like pretty shitty arguments
I think "we" refers to "we human beings". That chart looks pretty similar to population growth by world region (with the notable exception of Africa). https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/population-regions-with-p...
Oh hell yeah, EU is doing something right! I fear to think how the US stats have changed. And China is… alarming.
It's relatively "easy" to cut pollution if you just outsource most of your manufacturing.
WE buy stuff that WE oursourced to Asia and then WE blame them for producing it. WE also set the standard of living that is unsustainable if everybody on Earth achieve it.
What's your problem with the "we" word, again?
Some people always try to push the blame onto someone else...
now look at it measured from consumption per capita ...
Asia is producing all of our shit. Also: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/cumulative-co-emissions
And most all of it is actual shit. Literal garbage stacking up in landfills.
Then the US should stop buying it.
Things are manufactured because there are people buying.
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