Comment by embedding-shape
3 days ago
> How did Google blow their AI lead?
What lead? Maybe because I'm mostly using AI/LLMs for development, but neither Google, Anthropic, xAI or anyone else has ever been in the lead, OpenAI always had the best models in my mind, as long as you're comparing the "top" plans between all of them.
Besides, they all seem to shoot themselves in the foot, OpenAI included, seems the only thing that differs is how often and how big the damage is.
Wow. Didn't realize OAI was astroturfing hacker news now...
All the labs astroturf all the social media, HN is not unique and OpenAI wouldn't be the only ones. I even receive offers sometimes on my email put in my HN profile, asking me to post about their project in exchange for money.
Be skeptical of anything you read online, not just what you think is "obvious astroturf".
I don't think Google does, they are way too massive, disorganized, and "by the book" for something like that. Also AI isn't life or death for them.
Besides they own 15% of Anthropic and cutting massive compute deals with them. On top of that they also have compute deals with OAI.
Google is positioning itself to win no matter what happens, Gemini is almost looking like a side project next to their cloud business.
Wait so you're countering an accusation of astroturfing with an actual confession? That's new.
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Wait what? Why don't I get emails like this too? /s
(on a serious note, do you feel comfortable naming and shaming such companies, this is sort of a serious accusation imo and if not then how much money they are trying to give. It would be an interesting discussion and feel free to mail me if its confidential, waiting for your response and have a nice day :-D)
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The HN guidelines explicitly ask you not to make these accusations.
> Please don't post insinuations about astroturfing, shilling, brigading, foreign agents, and the like. It degrades discussion and is usually mistaken. If you're worried about abuse, email hn@ycombinator.com and we'll look at the data.
I probably wouldn’t say they always had the best model but for years OAI was definitely pushing the limits both on model quality and product offerings. It was not until the last year or so that Anthropic started punching above their weight.
> It was not until the last year or so that Anthropic started punching above their weight.
Anthropic's stuff been useful for the last two years I'd say, especially in the beginning of Claude Code, but as soon as the Codex TUI was available, I was daily-driving both of them, literally executing the same prompts for each of them and comparing the final results, and Codex simply writes better code in 9/10 cases (but still not always).
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There are plenty of shills for all of the major labs on this website. Usually checking a history of comments of a suspicious user reveals that quite fast.
OpenAI literally wouldn't even exist if it wasn't for Google's work in the space.
Who wouldn't exists if someone else didn't invent something else, which wouldn't exists...
We're all standing on the shoulders of giants here, I don't think one party is more responsible than someone else, unless you're specifically involved with the specific technology, then you can attribute it to them.
So yes, Google's researchers might have invented the Transformer, but OpenAI researchers invented GPT. Does it matter we credit "LLMs" more to one than the other? I don't think so, especially in this context it's highly irrelevant. Google didn't have the "LLM lead" before LLMs even existed...
Google invented transformers. They had LLMs before openAI existed.
Great, tell me again who put the Transformer into LLMs?
Also, if we're going backwards, who invented neural networks, does that mean that person also then "had LLMs before OpenAI existed"?
> who put the Transformer into LLMs?
Google?
> who invented neural networks
People like Geoffrey Hinton, who was notably at Google Brain from 2013 to 2023?
The people who say Google was ahead were paying attention long before you were.
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> Great, tell me again who put the Transformer into LLMs?
Google did, as they already said.
OpenAI was better at marketing and a lot more willing to cannibalize the search market as a newcomer. So Google blew their lead in research by not recognizing the product value quickly enough, or failing to win an internal political war on it anyway
The tone on this could be improved. They literally answered your question "What lead?" and you seem dismissive.
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