Comment by HDBaseT

3 days ago

A human has to pass a test to be able to drive. A human (for the most part) doesn't just unknowingly drive into floods.

Why aren't we holding computers to AT LEAST the same expectation as humans.

I love when people bring this up. When was the last time anyone here had to pass an actual driving test, like where you have to physically drive a car? For me, age 16, which was more years ago than I like to count.

How many licenses do we revoke for violating traffic laws? Getting into a car crash? Injuring someone in a car crash? Killing someone in a car crash? Not nearly enough! We are so lax about driving it's insane. But you want to hold these robot cars to some much higher standard? I mean, ok, but how much higher? It's a really freaking low bar right now

Are you suggesting every DL holder knows all the driving conditions?

Quick, what should one do when the car starts drifting in ice? How about aqua planing?

If it is just taking a regular DL test, then waymo, Tesla and others would be driving all across the US by now. They already have a higher standard

  • > Quick, what should one do when the car starts drifting in ice? How about aqua planing?

    If your car starts sliding, let off the gas, don’t hit the brakes, and countersteer into the direction of the slide to recover.

    If you start hydroplaning you simply remove your foot from the gas pedal.

  • > Are you suggesting every DL holder knows all the driving conditions?

    In my country at least: Yes.

    Hydroplaning and driving on ice is part of the compulsory training, including driving on simulated ice on a special course.

    • That's great. Would you your country's test covers 100% of the situations a driver might encounter?

      Even without knowing the details, I can confidently tell you they don't.

      Does it teach you how to recover the car when the tires blow out? How about it is raining? How to react when a car is coming straight at you in the wrong way? How about when a dog jumps out?

A Waymo is already a dramatically safer driver than a human, and it isn’t even close.

There have been, and will continue to be, many cases drive into flood zones and die.

  • >A Waymo is already a dramatically safer driver than a human, and it isn’t even close.

    Driving safe is not always about having faster reaction speed.

    • It's about many things, including reaction speed, visual awareness, specific expertise and informed decision making wrt braking or acceleration power. All of these are better in a modern self-driving car (I do not know whether Tesla falls into this category) than in a human.

      https://waymo.com/safety/impact/

      Over a given driving distance, compared to humans, Waymos produce a 90% reduction in serious injury, 90% reduction in pedestrian strikes, 83% reduction in airbag deployments, 85% reduction in cyclist strikes.

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