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Comment by vessenes

7 hours ago

Nope. Just not post things like "billionaires pay no taxes."

They don't pay zero tax, for sure.

But they certainly get clever about techniques to keep it as low as possible, for shockingly low effective tax rates.

https://www.propublica.org/article/the-secret-irs-files-trov... has a whole bunch of examples.

  • I have some quibbles about the ProPublica definitions -- for instance market liquidity matters when calculating public company stock wealth -- and even if you're going to borrow against it, there are additional costs and pledges that must be made that significantly reduce the available capital.

    The propublica number was like 4.5% or so if I recall, and does not count the taxes paid by the companies these people owned, nor does it imagine the financial benefits to say California teachers or firemen who co-own the companies through pension funds, nor does it reduce for effective wealth, nor does it reduce for unutilized wealth, e.g. if the stock price goes up and you don't sell or borrow against it, have you received benefit that makes sense to tax?

    But if you net all those out and told me the effective rate was 12-15% on utilized capital, I wouldn't be surprised. I would be really surprised if it was $0 though.

    • > does not count the taxes paid by the companies these people owned

      Why should they? Should I get to count the taxes paid by my local water treatment plant workers because I shit in the toilet?

      > nor does it imagine the financial benefits to say California teachers or firemen who co-own the companies through pension funds

      They get taxed on that!

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The only reason he paid $11B that year was because he exercised Tesla options. Many other years his tax bill has ranged from zero to millions.

What did he pay in previous years? To borrow a phrase, I’ll wait while you google it.