Comment by busterarm

2 days ago

This is such an insanely unpopular move even among some of trump’s supporters. I really think this will be this version of the republican party’s suicide note.

It's an insanely stupid move, but from what I'm seeing on Twitter, it's somehow not that unpopular among the less bright.

  • > it's somehow not that unpopular among the less bright.

    politics aside, do you realistically believe that you can view twitter and actually mentally carve out the opinion of a group of people in real life?

    that's exactly the issue with twitter.

    for one : you're polling twitter users (a TINY subsect of humanity), two : you're extracting opinion from those that seek to broadcast it (an outlier) , and three: twitter never self-exposes the world to a user, it selectively curates and amplifies, and fourth : it's one of the most gamed communications arenas in existence.

    you're viewing the world through an itty-bitty twitter-colored monocle and making sweeping accusations across large cohorts, it's not an accurate portrayal of actual human opinion.

    • I don't think it's a perfectly representative sample of people in real life, so I always view it as an anthropological experiment, as if I'm visiting wild tribes... but still am finding the proportion of people in favor of this decision to be surprisingly high.

  • Twitter is mostly bots (take almost any response and look at the account history).

    Don’t make the mistake of thinking that Twitter / X noise is consensus.

  • Why insanely stupid? No, I don't mean you might not be right but it's nice to hear arguments rather than a pointless slight against people you assume fit your category.

    • Because immigration is a net positive for economies, as any economist will explain to you. Especially high-skilled immigration, but it's not even limited to that. An increasing population is already a net positive.

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    • Or we could build more houses, and schools and hospitals. When did we become a country of scarcity instead of builders? Half of downtown down San Francisco is built on the abandoned boats from migrants that were building too fast to bother moving the boats that brought them to the gold rush so they just built a city on top.

      We could create special economic zones like china, allow 200 million immigrants into the country with a goal of a billion people to match the population of china and India. Make it a condition of citizenship that they help build ten homes or similar infrastructure. Immigrants could be the solution to all the problems you cite and they certainly aren’t the reason those problems exist.

    • If you think this is going to immunize you from the worst of what the MAGA movement has to offer I think you're in for a rude awakening.

    • It’s sad you don’t realize who you’re getting in bed with. H1Bs and their families are only 0.4% of the population and yet they’re being blamed for -all of americas problems. Must be your first rodeo around the american political system if you actually think they will no longer blame you even if that number shrinks to 0.1%. The economic considerations have always been a pretense. Some of them hate you because you’re brown but not the kind of exploitable cheap labour brown that serves them food and cleans their houses. Politicians see an easy scapegoat to blame for their mismanagement of the country and lean on the narrative. Indians keep leaning republican and learning this lesson over and over again.

    • Will this actually fix anything though, or will it just make it so we can't "blame immigrants for America's problems"?

      Because if that's the only reason we're doing it, then frankly that's a very stupid reason. I'd like real reasons, please.

Or evidence that they are confident their takeover and transition to single party rule was successful a they are not subject to further accountability.

If something seems irrational it’s usually a sign that you don’t understand the underlying logic. This behavior is totally logical if they aren’t worried about losing power.