Comment by basisword
1 day ago
This is why although I don't love my Apple Watch, I'm not using anything else. It's very sensitive data and Apple is the only company worth trusting with it. They're not perfect but compared to others there's no competition.
A great example is Apple's new in-house cellular modem design, which gives you the option to stop reporting your exact location to your cellular provider.
The best way to prevent the Feds from getting access to customer data is to not collect it in the first place.
Google's Health Connect system doesn't share this data either (without a consent prompt for third party apps, off course). This is to the point where I wish it would just support some kind of sync, because two devices hooked up to the same accounts need a third party app to transfer the health info.
Apple is subject to the same laws Oura is. The competition is too.
I believe the Apple one is E2E encrypted so they physically can't give useful data. Thats the core issue with Oura here.
Apple's iCloud default is still to link the encryption key to your account password, with a bunch of extra steps if you wish to use your own key instead, just like Google does.
It doesn't really matter that the data is encrypted end to end if Apple backs up the encryption key based on a factor they already know (your password).
You may want to reevaluate.
Apple has a great PR (propaganda) department that has convinced many people they respect your privacy. In truth, they do not. They're "better" than Google, but only slightly. And only so slightly that realistically it doesn't matter.
"Apple is taking the unprecedented step of removing its highest level data security tool from customers in the UK, after the government demanded access to user data."
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cgj54eq4vejo
It happened in the UK; it will not be long before it happens in the US.
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Also, USA: https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-36084244
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Also, France, Germany, Australia, Brazil, Japan: https://www.apple.com/legal/transparency/pdf/requests-2024-H...
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Also, Russia: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-02-04/apple-fil...
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Also, China: https://www.article19.org/resources/apple-cares-about-digita...
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Also in general: https://proton.me/blog/iphone-privacy
Did you just post an article where Apple refused a UK government order to weaken their encryption as "proof" that Apple doesn't respect customer privacy?
Also, the US Government has already demanded that Apple weaken device encryption.
Apple fought it in court, and the government dropped their demand rather than set a privacy precedent they wanted to avoid.
I'm confused what you think Apple should have done differently there. If the government presents you with a legal demand generally your only options are to either comply or leave the market. Would you prefer Apple to have pulled out of the UK entirely?
I'm not even much of a fan of Apple but I really don't think you can hold it against them when they loudly protest but ultimately comply with legal demands.
>> "Apple is taking the unprecedented step of removing its highest level data security tool from customers in the UK, after the government demanded access to user data."
They did exactly what they should have. Their choices were build a backdoor or disable the advanced data protection feature in the UK. They also made it incredibly public.
It's brilliant how they've laundered their "privacy" reputation through Google etc. and people believe it so fully.
Yeah there's no one I'd trust with my personal data except Apple. Their track record of refusing to bow down to the feds has been golden. 24 carat infact.
While Google has rejected China's terms and moved out of the mainland, China has set up a separate iMessage/iCloud system that complies with the wants and needs of the CCP.
They have also abided by the UK's demand to disable E2EE.
Apple's resolve is quickly overcome by any threat to their revenue. They're one law away from handing over all of your data to the feds.
apple just can’t pull out of america so you’re likely right. a law mandating a backdoor in america would be the end
In the US. Apple's policies are flexible when it comes to other nation states.
All it takes is a political sea change for E2EE to go away.
Apple already has to hand over a wealth of information when asked by the feds.
Apple literally removed encrypted file storage as a feature in the UK rather than comply with demands for access to encrypted customer data from the UK government.
Previously, they refused US government demands for a backdoor that would allow them to unlock locked devices.
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"Things might change in the future" is a perfectly general statement which applies to any state of affairs which is not restricted by natural law.
That makes it very nearly meaningless.
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Apple might be pretty good now. There's no assurance they always will be.
If that's your policy you can't use anything ever.
> Apple is the only company worth trusting with it
Wonder what makes you you think so. Care to elaborate? Really hope it's not their ubiquitous ads showcasing how they "treat privacy seriously".
I don't trust them.
https://www.mintpressnews.com/apple-israel-unit-8200-hiring/...