Comment by ck2

1 day ago

Oura doesn't even have GPS does it?

Government can already get ALL your celltower locations without a warrant

AND read all your emails and text messages that are over 6 months old, without a warrant

In a society where women are being prosecuted for medical procedures, menstrual data becomes very risky to have handed over.

  • I sat in a meeting at a data broker in 1998 where one of their product managers was strangely proud about how they could determine menstrual cycles from purchase records. It wasn't just hygiene products either. They already have that data and manipulate women with targeted ads timed for the optimal receptivity.

  • Probably this yeah. Your location data can be obtained from other devices than your own, but this medical data cannot.

From what I understand, they can get call records and subscription info w/ administrative subpoenas, but this is the first I've heard of them being able to get location data without a warrant.

Assuming you meant directly from the telcos and not from the data broker loopholes - in which case pretty much anyone should be able to do that. Emails and texts they still need a warrant for.

Great, so they can further extrapolate what exact locations you get nervous / are more relaxed / walk more quickly… the understated problem with PII isn’t about any single data point, it’s about combining data to make probable inferences.

The ring doesn't have gps but its app requires location permission so it gets it from your phone. It continually asks me to turn on background sync, which would presumably upload my location regularly as well. I decline and only allow location when the app is open to sync.

  • Location is used for tracking distance/speed for certain activities and measuring VO2 max levels, and for finding a lost ring.

> AND read all your emails and text messages that are over 6 months old, without a warrant

Source for this? Was it big news? First I've heard of it.

  • This is well known, just no-one talks about it anymore like NSA, DHS violations, etc.

    Why do you think she had a personally owned email server in her basement instead of using a 3rd party?

    Bill Clinton signed 1986 Electronic Communications Act into law

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_Communications_Priv...

    Any communication, email, sms, etc. on a 3rd party like Gmail that is 180 days old is simply considered "abandoned" under that law and can be read without any judicial oversight, no warrant needed. Major services even have portals for law enforcement to just browse away

    Congress purposely never updates the law, it's 40 years out of date

    • Just one correction: Clinton wasn't president yet in 1986. That was signed by Reagan.

      Clinton signed the 1996 Telecommunications Act which also had problems but which didn't change this specific legal norm.

They can read all your emails that are over 6 months old? What are you basing this on? First I've heard of it.

  • It is well known, just no-one talks about it anymore like NSA, DHS violations, etc.

    Why do you think she had a personal email server in her basement instead of using a 3rd party?

    Bill Clinton signed 1986 Electronic Communications Act into law

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_Communications_Priv...

    Any communication, email, sms, etc. on a 3rd party like Gmail that is 180 days old is cleverly considered "abandoned" under that law and can be read without any judicial oversight, no warrant needed. Major services even have portals for law enforcement to just browse away

    Congress purposely never updates the law, it's 40 years out of date despite people having years of email, SMS, DMs in their accounts as typical behavior