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Comment by spiderfarmer

1 day ago

The most under appreciated thing about PHP is the fact that after 20+ years I can still develop in PHP and never had to learn a JS framework, Rust, Go, Ruby, Java or .NET.

?? you can write JS without having to learn a framework. They exist in PHP too such as Symfony. This constant complaint about frameworks seems less about the framework and more about having to learn to work with people which is partly why the framework abstraction exists.