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Comment by gobdovan

4 hours ago

It always felt strange to me that the main implementation of something as niche and esolang-adjacent as APL is neither OSS nor casually usable commercially, but instead comes under an enterprise license.

Anyway, I had a fun time a while ago translating APL programs to NumPy. At some point you get what APL is all about, and you can move on with life without too many regrets. Turns out most of the time it's more like a puzzle to get an (often inefficient) terse implementation by torturing some linear algebra operators.

If you're after a language that's OSS, has terse notation, and rewires your brain by helping you think more clearly instead of puzzle-solving, TLA+ is the answer.

Edit: if you're curious to see at a glance what APL is all about:

APL code:

(2=+⌿0=∘.|⍨⍳N)/⍳N <- this computes primes up to N and is presented as the 'Hello world' of APL.

Equivalent NUMPY code:

```

R = np.arange(1, N + 1) # ⍳N

divides = (R[None, :] % R[:, None]) == 0 # 0=∘.|⍨⍳N

divisor_counts = divides.sum(axis=0) # +⌿

result = R[divisor_counts == 2] # (2=...)/⍳N

```

As you can see, the famous prime generator is not even the Eratostenes' sieve, but a simple N^2 divisor counting computation.

> At some point you get what APL is all about, and you can move on with life without too many regrets.

Honestly this is how computers/software/programming feel in general these days and it’s ruined it all for me.

  • I basically feel the same way. In a way it is very liberating. All of those esoteric languages that were on my ever-growing todo list are now things I can let go of. Ultimately we have to ask ourselves how we want to spend our time, and now it is much harder to justify spending countless hours studying one programming language after another. We still can, of course, but we are now more "free" to do other things instead.

    It's sort of sad, but really I think it is a weight off my shoulders.