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Comment by Starman_Jones

4 hours ago

> I'm pretty sure people have no problem with Black americans that are completely assimilated

This is incorrect in the US.

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pixel_popping  4 hours ago

Can you elaborate so I increase my knowledge? Give me practical and theoretical examples.

  • danaris  2 hours ago

    So, at this point, you come across like someone "just asking questions" in an attempt to sow dissent and propaganda, because the antipathy of the entire right wing of the US toward all nonwhite people (but especially black people) is very, very clear and very, very well-documented at this point.

    But in case you are genuinely just hopelessly ignorant of the situation and somehow unable to use Wikipedia [0], I'll give you just a couple of examples.

    For decades, the practice of redlining[1] exacerbated and perpetuated the lower socioeconomic status of minorities, but especially black people, in America.

    The Black Lives Matter protests were sparked by the killings of black people by police in the US—not "a couple of black people", but "a long history of killing black people in their custody at hugely disproportionate numbers, with a few very, very prominent instances leading up to the protests."

    [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_the_United_States

    [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redlining

    • pixel_popping  1 hour ago

      I'm not hopelessly ignorant, I'm arguing in good faith.

      I'm just trying to hear more sides. If I wanted the same recycled talking points I could just open Reddit. You linked a general Wikipedia page on the history of racism in the US and one on redlining. Those are broad historical overviews, not answers to the specific point I made which is more of a "daily life" type of deal. Let's say: Today I'm born black within the US, what can't I do that white persons can? Of course dealing with individual racism is something real, people will just hate you for who you are (if you are white in Africa it's the same thing, they'll call you all sort of nicknames and just attempt to scam you and many are racists individually but that has nothing to do with political view) but that doesn't necessarily change real life opportunities, I also deal with racism on a daily basis where I am, and it doesn't change the fact that I can still open my company, hire people and so-on, having some haters is just part of life.

      For Black Lives Matter, the person that was killed was a criminal himself (and a drug addict) so it's a bit hard to really look into it objectively tbh.

      I asked for practical and theoretical examples regarding the claim that Americans have no problem with fully assimilated Black Americans. Can you give me concrete examples of how that plays out (or doesn't) in everyday life, hiring, neighborhoods, relationship, marriage, moving in different state...?

      Regarding crime, you can't ignore the fact that the number of murders are statistically committed way more by Black people (it's not a racist take, please let's not go in the rabbit hole, I'm not racist (just restating to avoid personal attacks)) which means that a deeper route issue is probably cultural, structural, family and so-on.

      Official FBI statistics on murder offenders (latest available detailed data, 2019–2022 averages): | Race % of Population % of Known Murder Offenders Rate per 100,000 Black ~13.6% ~52–55% ~27–30 White (non-Hispanic) ~57% ~42–45% ~3–4 |

      This suggests the issues are not really about skin color but about culture and family. You can't ignore the fact that there is just more crime being committed, this isn't about people getting more arrested because they are black, it's people directly committing serious crime (solved murders). The main issue imo is cultural, maybe based on initial rage due to the shitty history they endured, but the one born today doesn't have this history felt.

      A direct correlation could be that 70% of black fathers abandon their children, while only 25% of white do, most grow up without a father which will of course lead to a life of crime in average. That's one of the strongest predictors of poor outcomes across every race, I believe internationally as well.

      From what I'm reading, US indeed do have active racist policies called DEI which favor certain outcome depending on Race, that's the exact definition of racism, those laws should be clearly abolished, no one should be treated differently (in the sense of a policy/law) based on his race, it's actually surprising that policies like this still exist today.

      This has nothing really to do with "right wing" or "left wing" (it seems to make no sense anyway nowadays, it's like people are in a basket just because of X belief).

      Give me real data as it's available, not history pages, I'd love if you could reply to my other points above as well.