LBOs are much worse than that. It's like buying a rental property where the mortgage is owed by the a shell corporation that owns the property. The shell corporation, not the purchaser, owes the debt.
It's like taking out a mortgage on a house, but letting the house owe the debt.
When you put it like that, you make it sound reasonable! The house being collateral for the debt seems in a blurry way to be "the house owes the debt".
That's exactly HOW rental properties are (supposed to) be bought!
Most small-time single family landlords actually go above and beyond that and "pretend" the rental is a house they're buying to live in (or actually is, for a time) and get a "home owner's mortgage" which is even easier.
Large commercial real estate is sold and loaned based on future rental income, pretty formulaically.
Yes, those exist in industrialized countries as a result of public policy decisions. We do not have 3 or 0% mortgages because that’s what the market naturally bears or produces: we have it because mortgage debt is backstopped by the state.
It’s possible to “understand” mortgages by understanding that conditions for stable home markets don’t arise by themselves—we collectively make them possible because the outcome is desired—then wonder WTF because what social function is creating conditions for private equity getting us.
In residential real estate, I think stems in large part from a desire to help people who don’t come from money to own personal real estate (which is one of the best ways to go from $0 or negative net worth to positive six figure net worth).
Not only is that politically attractive, I think it’s more good than bad as public policy.
Turning back to PE/LBOs:
Having limited liability entities (companies) also serves good public purposes. Having companies being able to borrow money also does. Having companies being able to own other companies also does. I think that’s the only three ingredients you need for the PE model to operate and I don’t think that the public is helped by barring any of those three things.
LBO's are like buying a rental property where the mortgage is approved based on expected future rental income from the property.
That's why the parent is saying "It is like paying for the company with the money from the company you are buying.".
LBOs are much worse than that. It's like buying a rental property where the mortgage is owed by the a shell corporation that owns the property. The shell corporation, not the purchaser, owes the debt.
It's like taking out a mortgage on a house, but letting the house owe the debt.
>It's like taking out a mortgage on a house, but letting the house owe the debt.
Isn't that a non-recourse loan, which in some states is the default for the initial loan to acquire the housel
When you put it like that, you make it sound reasonable! The house being collateral for the debt seems in a blurry way to be "the house owes the debt".
1 reply →
That's exactly HOW rental properties are (supposed to) be bought!
Most small-time single family landlords actually go above and beyond that and "pretend" the rental is a house they're buying to live in (or actually is, for a time) and get a "home owner's mortgage" which is even easier.
Large commercial real estate is sold and loaned based on future rental income, pretty formulaically.
Exactly. That is largely how commercial lending is underwritten: by ensuring the DSCR (debt service coverage ratio) is over 1.0.
Sure that is commercial lending.* And the acquirer owes the debt. But that's not how LBOs work. In an LBO the target owes the debt.
*Coverage of 1:1 is an accident waiting to happen, but otherwise sure.
2 replies →
Yes, those exist in industrialized countries as a result of public policy decisions. We do not have 3 or 0% mortgages because that’s what the market naturally bears or produces: we have it because mortgage debt is backstopped by the state.
It’s possible to “understand” mortgages by understanding that conditions for stable home markets don’t arise by themselves—we collectively make them possible because the outcome is desired—then wonder WTF because what social function is creating conditions for private equity getting us.
In residential real estate, I think stems in large part from a desire to help people who don’t come from money to own personal real estate (which is one of the best ways to go from $0 or negative net worth to positive six figure net worth).
Not only is that politically attractive, I think it’s more good than bad as public policy.
Turning back to PE/LBOs:
Having limited liability entities (companies) also serves good public purposes. Having companies being able to borrow money also does. Having companies being able to own other companies also does. I think that’s the only three ingredients you need for the PE model to operate and I don’t think that the public is helped by barring any of those three things.