It's cool to see things like this, I wasn't aware of. I made something similar for VR around 6 or 7 years ago with full DJ mixing on real vinyl turntables. I got things built so DJs could play their set from anywhere in the world and have access to their music from their own studio or home etc. Unfortunately i was one guy making this and health issues have sadly put this project on hold indefinitely. It would be a shame to let it die like this and would love others to carry the project further.
What would be the best way to share this, i really don't know as i made it using unity engine, all my own assets, scripts etc are made by me, no vibe coding or anything like that.
Here's a couple of videos of the project if anybody is interested in carrying this further, please let me know thanks.
Super cool, during covid times I sorta started making a system where you could back2back dj mix with a remote friend, but never really got anywhere. Would love to pick it up again, or know if there have been some new developments in this field? There are some ‘jam together’ type projects but as I recall, these werent really suitable for DJ mixing electronic music (latency wise).
Unfortunately, you're usually working against physics and not software, because, as you allude to, playing music together requires near perfect latency (some sources say 10ms as an absolute maximum) that's physically impossible to achieve over a long distance, even if you had a perfect connection.
The animation player is made by the AI and there have been many optimization passes but the AI did them so I can't help you really with that question. I'm using GPT 5.5. I initially tried Three.js but it was way too slow, so I went building shaders directly. I figured the fastest paths will need to be tailored to the use-cases and a framework is good for humans at the expense of performance but since now we can just write the specific code directly that's better.
I joined but seemingly I had to click start on the youtube video and there was no centralized sync sever. I can only assume the song in the 2hr mix that was playing for me, well, wasn’t playing for everyone else which kills the whole vibe of a rave for me. You should give the ability for clients to sync to the master playtime so it’s at least only a few seconds off! Would really increase the vibe instead of feeling gimmicky.
You have a point, on the other hand, jumping in a set where I missed the intro and build-up, kills some of the vibe for me. This way everyone gets the same experience. That said, the plan is eventually to sync the rooms if that turns out to be a better experience.
The scene has always been overrun with recreational substance use, dawg. Partake or not as suits your vibe and life goals, but get ready for it to be a prominent thing among others.
"Influencer types" are new; social media has been corrosive even to this scene as well. A number of clubs in the UK and elsewhere are implementing no-phones policies as a result, so you can dodge some of it by picking venues.
Not sure what part of the world you're from but I'm sure you can find some decent authentic gigs around where people aren't doing it for the likes and follows :)
Honestly, going to a rave with a dancefloor and cool people is kind of lifechanging. It's kind of the environment that a lot of (most?) dance music is made for. Have a great time!
It's probably just the HN kiss of death. It loaded on firefox/mac for me to the point i got some buttons, but it took so long i just closed the page to reduce the load on it.
Aside: I’m not sure how many people realize how big DJ events are in VRChat, especially amongst furries. The virtual furry con Furality is coming up for example and the dances there are huge, thousands of simultaneous attendees. Worlds for events will have full DMX lighting control and sophisticated audio setups.
DJs will often do live mixing as well, it’s not just pressing play on pre-recorded sets, while wearing their VR gear. Recently an event was fully synchronized between an RL version and VR version, complete with integrated lighting setup (the same DMX signals were controlling both RL event space and VR world lighting simultaneously).
Every weekend there’s dozens of huge rave/DJ events going on 24 hours a day mostly be EU and US organizers, although Japan goes hard too (their virtual cons are mind-boggling huge and have major corporate sponsors).
How do you get into raves, and how do you take "Molly" and connect with others who have taken "Molly"? (Speaking as an electronic music super-fan, but curious about having never listened to it outside of my personal-devices per-se).
I lucked out by meeting my partner, and she knew people who were really into the rave scene so I got into raves by going where they told me to go.
However there may be other ways. There might be Facebook groups that advertise raves in your area for example. Event websites, local blogs. You may or may not end up in a good and fun one, but you might end up meeting someone who can point you in the right direction.
One problem you might encounter is age. I find it funner to go to age appropriate events. If you’re in your 30s for example, you probably don’t want to party with 20 year olds. And electronic music culture is old enough that at this point you have people in their 50s still going to raves and doing drugs. So however old or young you are, don’t let that be the barrier.
Molly is something you can only get from a dealer, unfortunately. There’s a site called RollSafe[1] that seems to have decent information on how to take it safely.
Connecting with people who have taken Molly is easy though. Just come up to them and offer them a friendly hug.
Most raves are just EDM shows now. In the 90s they were secret warehouse parties, and instead of Molly it was “Ecstasy”
Molly can be an unbelievable experience but please be very careful if you have mental illness.
Very cool to vibe out with folks anonymously. Almost like the old days where you could go to a rave and be you without fear someone would take pictures or people outside the rave would know who you are. Would love an option to cycle skin colors / tones.
> you could go to a rave and be you without fear someone would take pictures or people outside the rave would know who you are
These still exist! Look for events promoted as such, or look for smaller local events for the genres you're interested in - the latter might not ban phones, sure, but the vibe is still what you're seeking. Nobody's recording you.
I hear this all the time as a rationalization for why people don't go out anymore, but I don't buy it. You're afraid people on the internet might see you having fun? I've had people shove a phone in my face and take video while I was out dancing. It's rude, but it's not a big deal. The reason people don't go out is because Live Nation/Ticketmaster made live music outrageously expensive and strangled small venues.
I don’t buy that as the or even a reason. I’m older and we had raves before any legit venue would touch them. I remember once a venue was forced to cancel due to local law enforcement pressure. It happened the day before. Word spread real quick that we would just meet in a field on someone’s private land, a place we regularly had keg parties and most teenagers were aware of. We always found a way to party in those days. It was the number one objective every week, knowing where we would party on the upcoming weekend. This all was in 90s before anyone I knew had a mobile phone and the internet was not very useful yet.
My observation is that we were just bored a lot. It has been a long time since young people have been as bored as we were back then.
Totally different decade, but my 90s high school experience was very similar to the movie Dazed and Confused. It’s odd how similar those experiences were versus what has come with the tech disruption of youth.
Awesome app, spent 10 mins on it and had a good time - thank you!
One question, not requesting a change, just looking for a "why" type comment; why did you make it so you can change the progress of the videos playing?
Reason I ask is, seems to be it would be more immersive/mmo-y, if everyone was experiencing the same thing as the same time.
I like it! but without ability to execute own dance moves, not really dancing... Tried with keyboard but it didn't work.. Now imagining infrared webcam thing and some DIY stick on reflective things.. set up your own rave cave, attach sensors, dance, your virtual self mirrors... now you're raving
I'd recommend the same, dancing with strangers is very different than dancing at home alone.
With that said, not everyone lives in locations where these sort of parties are accessible, for some it's multiple hours away and not always doable. I'm happy both exists, but obviously, prefer in-person events myself any day of the week, and if people haven't experienced it before, they definitely should :)
The first time I saw something like this was in a music-focused virtual world from the 2000s. Strangers would strike up conversations with each other, dance (in some cases to well-known artists), wander around to see what others were doing, and generally just hang out.
Fun idea! I was surprised that it loaded on mobile and UI was kinda reasonable but I could tap any buttons to move or do anything. I’ll look into sending a PR for fixing that.
I've been a raver for decades, not until I jumped into reddit I started reading and seeing people writing about "PLUR" (Peace Love Unity Respect) a bunch. Our little community never really interacted with the US side of things, and never used any acronyms or "sayings" like that, it was just built-in into the community, and people running around saying stuff like that would be kind of inauthentic and borderline sketchy. Just be that, no need to say it or remind others.
Kind of fun and interesting how the two electronic music scenes are very similar, but things like that remind me how different it is in say Europe than the US, even though the vibes are obviously similar and more or less the same, just way more implicit, not so "Look like this and do that".
Not sure why you're being downvoted - I had a blast until the inevitable edgelords spamming the N word. Maybe worth someone adding a PR to filter out such words.
Should scale pretty well to hundreds, only key state changes and clothes/messages/etc changes are synced when they happen, it uses dead-reckoning, client authoritative and it's pretty accurate/fast.
ok bro this is fire!!! I wish I would not be able to interact with the playback of the video, I think what's fun is knowing that we are all listening to the exactly the same
Are you the kind of guy that says that all things that serve no purpose except for entertainment should be banned?
I am of the opposite school. I think practical things are fine and dandy, but the things that make us human, make life worth living, are all "useless".
It's cool to see things like this, I wasn't aware of. I made something similar for VR around 6 or 7 years ago with full DJ mixing on real vinyl turntables. I got things built so DJs could play their set from anywhere in the world and have access to their music from their own studio or home etc. Unfortunately i was one guy making this and health issues have sadly put this project on hold indefinitely. It would be a shame to let it die like this and would love others to carry the project further. What would be the best way to share this, i really don't know as i made it using unity engine, all my own assets, scripts etc are made by me, no vibe coding or anything like that.
Here's a couple of videos of the project if anybody is interested in carrying this further, please let me know thanks.
https://youtu.be/qXeiqlFA7Rg?t=171
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nub6gKgLt44
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWjZUOVbfx4
Publish to github or radicle. If you're not sure how, just have an AI CLI help.
Super cool, during covid times I sorta started making a system where you could back2back dj mix with a remote friend, but never really got anywhere. Would love to pick it up again, or know if there have been some new developments in this field? There are some ‘jam together’ type projects but as I recall, these werent really suitable for DJ mixing electronic music (latency wise).
Unfortunately, you're usually working against physics and not software, because, as you allude to, playing music together requires near perfect latency (some sources say 10ms as an absolute maximum) that's physically impossible to achieve over a long distance, even if you had a perfect connection.
If you want other people to carry it further, release your work as free software.
The GitHub repository is https://github.com/stagas/hallucinate - License is MIT - All contributions are welcome.
This is unhinged, I love it! Just a flat hierarchy of like a hundred ts files.
It see some mixamo references. How are you playing animations? Is it optimized in any way for that many characters?
The animation player is made by the AI and there have been many optimization passes but the AI did them so I can't help you really with that question. I'm using GPT 5.5. I initially tried Three.js but it was way too slow, so I went building shaders directly. I figured the fastest paths will need to be tailored to the use-cases and a framework is good for humans at the expense of performance but since now we can just write the specific code directly that's better.
Add a README file, bro
I don't want to push now because it will restart the server and break all connections :/
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And at least one screenshot
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Shout-out to the dearly departed theclub.zone, which did this with a bit more panache (as well as a punishingly difficult secret platformer puzzle).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAXY_bZvWUU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9I_zfQrfzM
But imho, the truest club experience is the short game SLAVE OF GOD by Increpare:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSmlqOorQqk
https://www.increpare.com/2012/12/slave-of-god/
I joined but seemingly I had to click start on the youtube video and there was no centralized sync sever. I can only assume the song in the 2hr mix that was playing for me, well, wasn’t playing for everyone else which kills the whole vibe of a rave for me. You should give the ability for clients to sync to the master playtime so it’s at least only a few seconds off! Would really increase the vibe instead of feeling gimmicky.
You have a point, on the other hand, jumping in a set where I missed the intro and build-up, kills some of the vibe for me. This way everyone gets the same experience. That said, the plan is eventually to sync the rooms if that turns out to be a better experience.
So fun. Long-time fan of electronic music and am heading to my first DJ-centered concerts this year.
I think that scene is overrun with influencer types and various types of recreational substance use. Maybe I'm wrong.
Bookmarking for background while I do other things!
The scene has always been overrun with recreational substance use, dawg. Partake or not as suits your vibe and life goals, but get ready for it to be a prominent thing among others.
"Influencer types" are new; social media has been corrosive even to this scene as well. A number of clubs in the UK and elsewhere are implementing no-phones policies as a result, so you can dodge some of it by picking venues.
Not sure what part of the world you're from but I'm sure you can find some decent authentic gigs around where people aren't doing it for the likes and follows :)
Honestly, going to a rave with a dancefloor and cool people is kind of lifechanging. It's kind of the environment that a lot of (most?) dance music is made for. Have a great time!
NYC (area). So - fortunately, plenty of folks come through here!
IJKL for movement instead WASD? An interesting approach...
There's a meta joke in here somewhere about going to a rave and expecting it to be the same norms as the rest of the world.
WASD is now the default, Tab switches between the two layouts for anyone interested.
Look, God initially gave us QAOP on 8 bit (1). You WASD heathens are just kids.
[1] With two sects, M or Space for fire.
Nononono ZXMK
Perfect.
pff VIM-like or GTFO
I think allowing jumping would add a lot. looking over the top of a whole crowd would be more visually dynamic.
Added! b for bounce!
Good idea. PR will be accepted.
I couldn't play, the site didn't load for me :(
The progress bar was stuck on 0% for about 2 minutes afterwhich I gave up.
I am on Firefox 151.0.1 (aarch64) and if that helps at all MacOs 26.3 (25D125) if that helps at all.
It's probably just the HN kiss of death. It loaded on firefox/mac for me to the point i got some buttons, but it took so long i just closed the page to reduce the load on it.
I think it might be a FF issue. I had the same issue on FF, but it loaded in Chrome. (also took some time though. 1~min)
EDIT: nevermind, now it also loaded in FF
I suspect it got more traffic than expected. See the same results on Win 11 with Chrome this morning.
Aside: I’m not sure how many people realize how big DJ events are in VRChat, especially amongst furries. The virtual furry con Furality is coming up for example and the dances there are huge, thousands of simultaneous attendees. Worlds for events will have full DMX lighting control and sophisticated audio setups.
DJs will often do live mixing as well, it’s not just pressing play on pre-recorded sets, while wearing their VR gear. Recently an event was fully synchronized between an RL version and VR version, complete with integrated lighting setup (the same DMX signals were controlling both RL event space and VR world lighting simultaneously).
Every weekend there’s dozens of huge rave/DJ events going on 24 hours a day mostly be EU and US organizers, although Japan goes hard too (their virtual cons are mind-boggling huge and have major corporate sponsors).
The whole point of a rave is to take Molly and have fun connecting with others who have also taken Molly. At least for this introvert.
I was never a fan of Electronic Music, I tolerate it for the drugs and the temporary extroversion.
How do you get into raves, and how do you take "Molly" and connect with others who have taken "Molly"? (Speaking as an electronic music super-fan, but curious about having never listened to it outside of my personal-devices per-se).
I lucked out by meeting my partner, and she knew people who were really into the rave scene so I got into raves by going where they told me to go.
However there may be other ways. There might be Facebook groups that advertise raves in your area for example. Event websites, local blogs. You may or may not end up in a good and fun one, but you might end up meeting someone who can point you in the right direction.
One problem you might encounter is age. I find it funner to go to age appropriate events. If you’re in your 30s for example, you probably don’t want to party with 20 year olds. And electronic music culture is old enough that at this point you have people in their 50s still going to raves and doing drugs. So however old or young you are, don’t let that be the barrier.
Molly is something you can only get from a dealer, unfortunately. There’s a site called RollSafe[1] that seems to have decent information on how to take it safely.
Connecting with people who have taken Molly is easy though. Just come up to them and offer them a friendly hug.
[1]: https://rollsafe.org/
Most raves are just EDM shows now. In the 90s they were secret warehouse parties, and instead of Molly it was “Ecstasy” Molly can be an unbelievable experience but please be very careful if you have mental illness.
Facebook these days. Be careful; it’s expected to accidentally do methamphetamine at these events.
Look up camping EDM festivals.
Very cool to vibe out with folks anonymously. Almost like the old days where you could go to a rave and be you without fear someone would take pictures or people outside the rave would know who you are. Would love an option to cycle skin colors / tones.
> you could go to a rave and be you without fear someone would take pictures or people outside the rave would know who you are
These still exist! Look for events promoted as such, or look for smaller local events for the genres you're interested in - the latter might not ban phones, sure, but the vibe is still what you're seeking. Nobody's recording you.
I hear this all the time as a rationalization for why people don't go out anymore, but I don't buy it. You're afraid people on the internet might see you having fun? I've had people shove a phone in my face and take video while I was out dancing. It's rude, but it's not a big deal. The reason people don't go out is because Live Nation/Ticketmaster made live music outrageously expensive and strangled small venues.
I don’t buy that as the or even a reason. I’m older and we had raves before any legit venue would touch them. I remember once a venue was forced to cancel due to local law enforcement pressure. It happened the day before. Word spread real quick that we would just meet in a field on someone’s private land, a place we regularly had keg parties and most teenagers were aware of. We always found a way to party in those days. It was the number one objective every week, knowing where we would party on the upcoming weekend. This all was in 90s before anyone I knew had a mobile phone and the internet was not very useful yet.
My observation is that we were just bored a lot. It has been a long time since young people have been as bored as we were back then.
Totally different decade, but my 90s high school experience was very similar to the movie Dazed and Confused. It’s odd how similar those experiences were versus what has come with the tech disruption of youth.
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Good news, you can still go to raves. There are still people there being people.
Come to Berlin, you get stickers for the phones cameras and if you film/take photos you’re thrown out..
Yeah, skin colors is a good idea and good for first PR :)
I love silly stuff like this and can only hope that with AI we see more of it. Enjoyed dropping in and the beats were fire.
More is less now. :(
That was really cool, fun
The dance moves are great
Thanks! For the dance moves I can only take credit that I selected them, but other people have made them, I got them from Mixamo[0]. Kudos to them!
[0]: https://www.mixamo.com/
Awesome app, spent 10 mins on it and had a good time - thank you!
One question, not requesting a change, just looking for a "why" type comment; why did you make it so you can change the progress of the videos playing?
Reason I ask is, seems to be it would be more immersive/mmo-y, if everyone was experiencing the same thing as the same time.
Thanks!
Thanks! The plan is what you're describing, we're just not there yet.
Making movement on IJKL instead of WASD is kind of evil
My arrow keys are broken.
WASD is now the default, Tab changes between layouts.
Good for lefties!
A bit off topic but as someone left handed I use my keyboard and mouse in exactly the same way as right handed people.
It was much easier to get used to this than figure out a custom lefthanded setup.
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Damn :D even tho i prolly just gonne use it this single team, it kinda made my day :) very cool thing - just a collaborative experience to enjoy !
Pretty cool so far. I'm wondering if it could go in a more decentralized direction, gossip or even gnutella.
I like it! but without ability to execute own dance moves, not really dancing... Tried with keyboard but it didn't work.. Now imagining infrared webcam thing and some DIY stick on reflective things.. set up your own rave cave, attach sensors, dance, your virtual self mirrors... now you're raving
You're basically describing VRChat raves :)
That would be great, can you make a PR for it?
That’s a weird thing to say.
You could also actually go to a rave. It should be easier than setting up your VR environment.
I'd recommend the same, dancing with strangers is very different than dancing at home alone.
With that said, not everyone lives in locations where these sort of parties are accessible, for some it's multiple hours away and not always doable. I'm happy both exists, but obviously, prefer in-person events myself any day of the week, and if people haven't experienced it before, they definitely should :)
The first time I saw something like this was in a music-focused virtual world from the 2000s. Strangers would strike up conversations with each other, dance (in some cases to well-known artists), wander around to see what others were doing, and generally just hang out.
I think it was called vSide.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VSide
Cokemusic was another one.
Same platform of Habbo Hotel but sponsored by Coca-Cola.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MyCoke
Nostalgia of algorave from COVID times. Weird good times I have to admit.
Fun idea! I was surprised that it loaded on mobile and UI was kinda reasonable but I could tap any buttons to move or do anything. I’ll look into sending a PR for fixing that.
Mobile/tablet works now. Tap to target to walk there.
That would be amazing. I think it would require a complete rethinking for mobile/tablet a different branch of controls.
You already have all the buttons on screen. Making them clickable would make it usable on mobile.
And it was immediately fouled by racism.
Yeah that's not very PLUR :(
I've been a raver for decades, not until I jumped into reddit I started reading and seeing people writing about "PLUR" (Peace Love Unity Respect) a bunch. Our little community never really interacted with the US side of things, and never used any acronyms or "sayings" like that, it was just built-in into the community, and people running around saying stuff like that would be kind of inauthentic and borderline sketchy. Just be that, no need to say it or remind others.
Kind of fun and interesting how the two electronic music scenes are very similar, but things like that remind me how different it is in say Europe than the US, even though the vibes are obviously similar and more or less the same, just way more implicit, not so "Look like this and do that".
Not sure why you're being downvoted - I had a blast until the inevitable edgelords spamming the N word. Maybe worth someone adding a PR to filter out such words.
You can downvote on HN?
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Yeah, I added some but they find ways around it. Eventually I'm monitoring and blocking ips manually. Needs an admin area to make this easier.
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Where is jungle basement or something for those who like their beats broken?
what-a-way to pre-start a work day. Thanks for the contrib! :D
Very cool concept, where is the video stream pulling from?
It's YouTube videos from Hot Situations and HÖR Berlin.
Great choice of sets! Really appreciate them.
Just though I drop by and say it, because nobody seems to notice.
When something is perfect it often becomes transparent /s tysm!
Reminds me of the minecraft based raves during the pandemic.
Couldn't play :( the site didn't load for me
Rave chat was working fine until I wrote "I think rust is overrated" and I can no longer see my or anyone else's messages. Yes, really.
if you type "I use Arch btw" you'll be unshadowbanned
It was crashing so you were losing the connection. Now this should be fixed.
Did this get hugged to death? Not loading for me at all.
It was crashing but now it should be ok. Until a new bug arises.
Fun while it lasted, really cool ! Looks like we hugged it to death though, server is down..
502, HNHOD?
Seems to be down! Timeout
add a real player count
This is really cool!
haha what a fun site :D. Two dance sections to the rave site, will you be adding a Psytrance section?
Hopefully many more! Definitely also Psy. Ty!
Kinda cool! What's the max concurrency?
Should scale pretty well to hundreds, only key state changes and clothes/messages/etc changes are synced when they happen, it uses dead-reckoning, client authoritative and it's pretty accurate/fast.
Ah cool. So you replace NPCs with real players as they come in, or add them into the mix?
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usernames would be cool chat too
The people who worked on the metaverse must be jealous
The closest we've ever been!
Do it for VR
Looks like you have a serious moderation problem, there are racists running around using n-word racist slurs
I try to moderate now, but they keep coming back with different ips.
PR we add guns and we shoot each other. This is a rave party. Only love.
it's easier for people to use slurs then to contribute to the source and make it better.
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Exactly the type of post you want from someone working on a mental health app...
I think this is the single most retarded comment I've ever read on HN.
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building something similar, but this is way ahead
ok bro this is fire!!! I wish I would not be able to interact with the playback of the video, I think what's fun is knowing that we are all listening to the exactly the same
Ty!! That's the idea but it needs some work to get there. It's possible though.
Events for the age of the Starbucks dweller. Oh boy.
looks nice
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The code is right there and MIT licensed. Be the change you want to see.
Trees are dying because of this game. The epa should go after these folks for all their money.
That's why we planted a tree in the game.
Isn't that true of all games, and even for comments on this website? Sorry if I am just missing the sarcasm.
Are you the kind of guy that says that all things that serve no purpose except for entertainment should be banned?
I am of the opposite school. I think practical things are fine and dandy, but the things that make us human, make life worth living, are all "useless".